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How serious are you guys when you talk about punching nazis? (lemmy.world)

submitted 1 month ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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I have been seeing plenty of guillhotine and mollotov jokes here, and as the title says, punching nazis.

I've been reading a book about nonviolence and anarchism, and he basically shows how we shouldn't use violence, even in extreme cases (like neo nazis).

The main argument is that the means dictates the ends, so if we want a non violent (and non opressing) society, punching people won't help.

And if it is just a joke, you should probably know that some people have been jailed for decades because of jokes like these (see: avoiding the fbi, second chapter of the book above).

Obviously im up for debate, or else I wouldn't make this post. And yes, I do stand for nonviolence.

(english is not my first language, im sorry if I made errors, or wansn't clear.)

(if this is not pertinent, I can remake this post in c/politics or something)

(the book is The Anarchist Cookbook by Keith McHenry, if you are downloading from the internet, make sure you download it from the correct author, there is another book with the same name.)

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[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Okay, but what does this have to do with punching? No violence took place in this scenario.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It was the threat of the bartender reaching for the bat. If the nazi didn't think there was a chance he'd actually use it, the threat wouldn't work.

The threat of violence is a deterrent to keep nazis from getting too bold, thinking they can do what they want without repercussion.

Some people think the threat of violent response is overreaction to someone who's just expressing their ideas. As a bisexual man, I think it's a pretty even response when those ideas are "hey, what if we rounded up you and everyone like you and marched you off to death camps?"

At the very least, you can never let them believe that you'll just roll over and let them do it.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

The bartender first peacefully told the Nazi to leave, and after the Nazi refused, the bartender threatened them with the bat, without actually using it. Do you really not see the difference from randomly punching someone on the street as you walk past them?

Or would you also say that there is no difference between a police officer threatening someone with a gun after they refuse arrest, versus immediately shooting them on sight?