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By "good" I mean code that is written professionally and concisely (and obviously works as intended). Apart from personal interest and understanding what the machine spits out, is there any legit reason anyone should learn advanced coding techniques? Specifically in an engineering perspective?

If not, learning how to write code seems a tad trivial now.

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[–] [email protected] 67 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

understanding what the machine spits out

This is exactly why people will still need to learn to code. It might write good code, but until it can write perfect code every time, people should still know enough to check and correct the mistakes.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I very much agree, thank you for indulging my question.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

I used an LLM to write some code I knew I could write, but was a little lazy to do. Coding is not my trade, but I did learn Python during the pandemic. Had I not known to code, I would not have been able to direct the LLM to make the required corrections.

In the end, I got decent code that worked for the purpose I needed.

I still didn’t write any docstrings or comments.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I would not trust the current batch of LLMs to write proper docstrings and comments, as the code it is trained on does not have proper docstrings and comments.

And this means that it isn’t writing professional code.

It’s great for quickly generating useful and testable code snippets though.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It can absolutely write a docstring for a provided function. That and unit tests are like some of the easiest things for it, because it has the source code to work from

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago

In my experience LLMs do absolutely terribly with writing unit tests.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago (1 children)

For a very long time people will also still need to understand what they are asking the machine to do. If you tell it to write code for an impossible concept, it can't make it. If you ask it to write code to do something incredibly inefficiently, it's going to give you code that is incredibly inefficient.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I’ve even seen human engineers’ code thrown out because no one else could understand it. Back in the day, one webdev took it upon himself to whip up a mobile version of our company’s very complex website. He did it as a side project. It worked. It was complete. It looked good. It was very fast. The code was completely unreadable by anyone else. We didn’t use it.