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[–] [email protected] 34 points 3 months ago (8 children)

AOC isn’t even in the conversation though. I think she’d face fierce opposition to even getting the nomination. She’s a pretty divisive figure.

[–] [email protected] 51 points 3 months ago (3 children)

She’s a pretty divisive figure.

Not for anything she does, AFAICT.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Republicans are terrified of her. She's young, attractive, charismatic, outspoken, and intelligent to say nothing of her being a woman of color. They are giving her the full Hillary treatment. It seems like she'll be a bit harder for them to tarnish that way, but not for lack of trying.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Yes, I agree, but we ought to draw a distinction between someone who acts divisively from someone who's the target of the right-wing hate machine.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago

But we never do.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago

she'll be a bit harder for them to tarnish that way

Well Hillary is only one or two of those traits you listed. I like Hillary, but she is not charismatic. I think she had good policy sense and could have been an excellent president, but policy doesn't win elections.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 months ago

I should be clear I’m talking about public perception here, not my personal opinions or any assessment of her policies.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago (1 children)

When she voted to disallow train workers striking was pretty disheartening. Who'd expect someone so pro-worker to knock the teeth out of a union.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 months ago

Probably voted that way because she was assured Biden would continue to hammer out a better deal for the rail union, which he did! Better healthcare, more PTO, and the addition of paid sick days!

Here’s the article right from the rail union thanking Biden for not giving up on their fight. https://www.ibew.org/media-center/Articles/23Daily/2306/230620_IBEWandPaid#:~:text=These%2012%20unions%20represent%20more,agreement%20for%20paid%20sick%20leave.%E2%80%9D

[–] [email protected] 37 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

The fact that she’s a conservative bogeyman is kind of besides the point. The neoliberal, corporate-friendly leadership of the DNC would NEVER let her get close to the nomination. They did the same thing to Bernie 8 and 4 years ago.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago

That’s exactly what I was referring to.

To be clear, the Democratic leadership is not all powerful. The people can push through a nominee leadership hates if we unite. But given the nature of this nomination process, party leaders have an exceptional amount of power this year, and the people have very little.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 3 months ago (1 children)

She's a "radical" to centrists

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago
[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Wha...what do you mean not in the conversation, you are literally conversing with someone about her, on a front page post about her. She is popular, and no presidential candidate has ever not been divisive. Not being trump is divisive.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago

The conversation among those who will decide the nominee. I’ve not heard anyone seriously discuss this outside of online forums.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

not in the conversation, you are literally conversing

  1. big-c Conversation
  2. a comma is not a colon
  3. there are other adverbs
[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago

No its a little c

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago (1 children)

So what if she’s divisive? Trumps running mate called him hitler at one point. No one wanted Trump, he came in and won the voters hearts with his vision, grotesque as it may be for other people. People want certainty and vision in uncertain times.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Narrowly and due to lies, intimidation, and structural advantages the right has in this country. Wouldn’t work for the left.

Besides, I was just saying that we the people aren’t really making this decision, and the ones that are won’t pick AOC.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I get your point, but I was saying that the RNC was super anti-Trump to start

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Oh well I actually agree that the left can push through a candidate that party leaders dislike if we got organized. But usually the left isn’t very good at that, and there’s no time to do so in this specific case.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago (1 children)

@LibertyLizard @pearsaltchocolatebar
Lol, it's what happens when you speak truth to power.
I'd vote for her because of a myriad of reasons though.
She is the future of the party.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Maybe maybe not but there’s 0 chance she’ll be the nominee this year.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago (1 children)

@LibertyLizard

Agreed, it's not in anyone's interest to test the supreme court ATM.
I said it once here, a couple times before, & I've said it a few times in passing conversation in person. I would vote for AOC and I think she's wonderful. 👍

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago

I like her too but I personally am not sure her popularity is broad enough to be president. But we’ll see. I hope you’re right.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

She gets labeled as "divisive" because she's a woman and she's not a centrist. Name one woman who gets listed as a potential candidate and isn't under this same garbage rhetoric.

To be clear, women can and should still be scrutinized, but not to the point where the only woman who would be a great presidential candidate is the most perfect candidate who ever lived.