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Progressives will be absolutely woodchippered if they did anything otherwise. Prob best to stand this one out and let the centrists fight it out. AOC is as delusional as Biden if she thinks he can win this. Not a great look.
AOC strikes me as someone who sees the game as is. She won’t endorse anyone but Democratic nominee, presumptive or otherwise.
I mean she's got her game to play and Biden has his.
I don’t know who downvotes like insanity around here, I think there is a lot of validity in your take.
There is a cult forming around the denial of the reality around Biden as candidate. The current working term is Blue Maga. Lemmt seems to be a kind of epic enter but it's the exact kind of thing that when Russian propagandists found it, they were able to create The Donald.
Also note how the vote totals work. Someone makes a "don't vote for Biden, trust me I'm totally a progressive" post and it immediately gets a ton of upvotes. Someone makes a "hey this whole 'don't vote' thing is kind of stupid" post and it immediately gets a ton of downvotes. But if the post gets big enough, real people balance the vote totals out. The initial votes were just bots/trolls trying to influence the tone of the discussion.
I dont think they are bots. Unless you have direct evidence of that, you shouldn't believe it. I think they are misguided individuals in deep denial of the reality they are in. I mean one of the biggest members of Blue Maga is the head of this sub. And its IDENTICAL to what/ how r/TheDonald formed, its just that a nation state actor hasn't swooped in to take advantage of the latent properties that would lead to the formation of a cult.
That's a dangerous tack to take.
Such is the consequence of living in a fact based reality as opposed to ones own delusions.
You get to believe a whole lot less because there is actually very little we have evidence for.
BUT!
If we have evidence for it, we should believe it.
Direct evidence is a much higher bar than indirect evidence. There's a profusion of indirect evidence. Few of us have the capabilities to potentially find direct evidence. And even if we could, we would be expending far more effort researching than they would making new alt accounts.
No there isnt.
There absolutely is. In fact, I just explained it.
No, you didn't.
You just leaned into your own, lack-of-evidence-based, conclusion that you had made previously.
That's not what it takes to live in a fact based reality.
It's an absolute necessity to do that to live in a fact based reality. People do not have the TIME to exhaustively research every single thing down to base facts. Not to mention the access, ability, finances, etc. Sometimes, hell most of the time, you have to synthesize information and make a judgement call.
Votes are public, you can see them if you go through a Kbin instance. You could sleuth this out yourself.
But personally, I'm a real person and I downvote you all the time because I think your takes are exactly the Blue MAGA style delusion this person is talking about. So you know where at least one of them is coming from.
It's so easy to spot you guys out because you're too stupid to make your own arguments so you have to use talking points given to you by your masters. And this one is a good one, to be fair. But you inevitably over-use the terms / talking points so you become super obvious.
I found the term embarrassing right up until people here started talking about how the polls were fake, the media were the enemy, and everyone arguing against them were Russian trolls or secret MAGA.
Like most right wing talking points, we (liberals) came up with it, in this case to mock tankies who were doing their best to help Trump get elected. And then the right wing propaganda machine stole it and twisted it, like "witch hunt" or "do your own research".