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One thing I've noticed about the alternatives subreddit, is there is a lot of people persuading people against alternatives. It's almost like there was some organising to persuade people there was no alternative.
I mean, when you factor in you'd probably get removed, or shadow-banned, or have your posts removed for mentioning Lemmy, it feels like there is a multifaceted approach to discouraging folk from leaving the reddit teet.
While there is an element of truth, it's scattered in with exaggeration and only focussing on negatives. The objective was to say Lemmy bad, staying good.
No way is Lemmy more toxic than reddit. I find those "well ackshually" folks are much less here.
I use to follow /r/degoogle on reddit... but it felt like pretty much every discussion was people shitting on every alternative, and implying that all measures are totally pointless unless you stop interacting with any form of computer for the rest of your life. It's just so weird having people say there there's no point switching from Chrome to Firefox because google is the default search engine on Firefox. I got to the point where I really did believe there was some deliberate destabilization going on, to weaken the community. (And it worked. I unsubscribed; and I'm sure it struggled to keep anyone who actually had anything useful to say.)
Anyway... I wouldn't be surprised if /r/RedditAlternatives was similar to that.
Oof, I can imagine that sucks. Come join us on [email protected] :) Everyone seems quite enthusiastic about finding alternatives. I'm all about the Firefox, GrapheneOS, Proton Mail, Signal, Element etc. :)
I would absolutely not put it past Google to get in there and do that. My god I hope the FTC puts their head on a pole, I know the odds aren't great but ohhhhhh it could happen ohhhhhhhhhhHHH
There's a lot of FOSS nerds here who get disgusted at you if you suggest someone use a web browser that isn't Firefox. But if you hung around on the Linux/FOSS subreddits, you'd get the exact same thing...
Agreed, feels like the vast majority of people here are FOSS enthusiasts, which isn't a bad thing necessarily if you align with them, but definitely a bias and could put off people who genuinely don't care about FOSS or tech in general.
There is quite a bit of bias on reddit that makes it quite uncomfortable for some of those people. Quite often Linux, Firefox and great open source software is bashed. It can be quite disconcerting to be in a different environment, but it isn't solely because of the views and biases of those on Lemmy. It's also significantly down to the views and biases of those one reddit also.
Yep, bias exists everywhere. There's no avoiding it. Reddit does have the benefit that biases tend to change from sub to sub though. Lemmy instances that I've seen (not defederated ones) tend to hold the same FOSS bias, but the intensity of it varies from instance to instance.
A lot of open source advocates do tend to be inclined to open source software on an open source link aggregator.
Signed, Open Source entusiast. :)
Yeah that ain't the issue, it's moreso the attitude than anything when someone chooses something that fits their needs better than the open-source alternative.
I say this as someone who uses Firefox but still uses MusicBee.
Out of a quick glance (really quick), I found this: https://lemmy.ml/comment/2915403
It seems you're throwing rocks and getting surprised when people generally respond. You cannot complain about fanboyism when you're trying to start fires. If you don't want those conversations, maybe don't start 'em.
I get that when you bash Firefox on reddit, you can start a circlejerk, but you don't get the same response here and it's as much to do with you being used to the biases of reddit.
That was after dealing with said fanboyism both here and on Reddit. Thought I should warn OP. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
There wasn't any really in that thread. You brought it up.
I'm sure you'll warn OP, and another OP, and another OP, and another OP, and after getting any response, blame Firefox fanboys for beaing unbearable...
Yes. I ain't gonna deny my experience both here and on Reddit, lol
We got some Hexbear toxicity, and some real Linux apologists.
But the fun thing about the fediverse is that you can just block those instances and be done with it.
Any supposed “toxicity” of Hexbear is far less than the average user on Reddut
I quite agree with you. I think tankies are quite misguided. They have good intentions, but not so great conclusions. I don't mind engaging with them, and they mostly tend to be in good faith.
I wouldn't describe it as toxic, and it's weird some views in that regards. Many are probably engaging with people that just quit engaging in reddit.
“Tankies” are just those with a view based in reality and not ethereal ideas of “rights for me but not for thee”
You misunderstand my point.
Communists who believe in sharing the wealth amongst the workers, fair enough.
People who will obsess about Stalin and China, and justify atrocities, not so good.
When I say tankies, I do not mean communists.
So you are against communists
So you're saying communists aren't Marxists? They're just folk who are in a weird cult of personality and love China and Russia including the capitalist elements of it? For someone from lemmygrad, I'm quite surprised...
If you are against “tankies” then you are agaisnt communists
No, I'm all for workers gaining their fair share of the proceeds of their wealth. I just don't believe you need to nosh off dictators because you're keen on the writings of Marx. Stalin != Marx.
There is very little virtue or moral high-ground in celebrating those who are guilty of atrocities.
In what argument do you have that Stalin was not simply moving forward and carrying into reality Marx’s theories. All of Stalin’s writings indicate a deep understanding and usage of dialects and his actions reflect Marx’s writings fully as well when it comes to the socialist. And Engel’s writings are clear from what he wrote in Anti-Durhing
Did the Gulag exist, and how do you feel that sits in with human decency and furthering the rights of workers?
He might write a lot, but we know politicians say a lot. What actions were taken and what happened under his watch is another thing entirely.
His decision to get Trotsky killed off, was that furthering the cause of workers?
Gulags were where criminals were. Are we to let them run around society?
Fair enough but his actions do reflect what he wrtoe
Trotsky was also working agaisnt the USSR and needed taken down as he was an enemy of working class liberation.
Petty criminals in some cases. Potentially some who were starving and stole to eat. Do societies run in the interests of working people punish those people for struggling or focus on rehabilitation where it is possible? Push them into force work camps where a very significant number die. Is trying to eat a death penalty now?
Stalin ain't that saint you think he was.
Was Trotsky working against the USSR? He was actively involved under Lenin, but when Stalin wanted to grasp power, he became a problem. Do you think Lenin was wrong and Stalin was right?
It feels very much like you're in a Stalin shaped cult of personality, which is ultimately was what his rule of the USSR was, not some glory day communist rule poster child. If you really want to persuade people that communism is better. Evangelising a dictator isn't going to help the case of furthering Marxist philosophy.
Death rates in Gulag were incredibly low outside of war time in WW2. The Gulags functioned as rehabilitation. They worked but were rehabilitated in them. There aren’t really cases of your made up idea happening
Trotsky worked for the dissolution of the USSR when it couldn’t be his personal project. He only worked with Lenin for personal gain and was an opportunist. When the country didn’t bow to his will he wanted to destroy the USSR.
What is a linux apologist?