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Ok but how is anyone meant to know if you generated your docstrings using copilot?
How do they know that you wrote it yourself and didn't just steal it?
This is a rule to protect themselves. If there is ever a case around this, they can push the blame to the person that committed the code for breaking that rule.
This is the only reason rules exist, not to stop people doing a thing but to be able to enforce or defect responsibility when they do.
I mean, generally rules at least are to strongly discourage people from doing a thing, or to lead to things that WOULD prevent people from doing a thing.
A purely conceptual rule by itself would not magically stop someone from doing a thing, but that's kind of a weird way to think about it.
They'll use AI to detect it.... obviously. ☺️
I'm saddened to use this phrase but it is literally virtue signalling. They have no way of knowing lmao
It’s actually simple to detect: if the code sucks or is written by a bad programmer, and the docstrings are perfect, it’s AI. I’ve seen this more than once and it never fails.
I'm confused, do people really use copilot to write the whole thing and ship it without re reading?
I literally did an interview that went like this:
And that's in an interview, where you should be extra careful to make a good impression...
Not specific to AI but someone flat out told me they didn't even run the code to see it work. They didn't understand why I would or expect that before accepting code. This was someone submitting code to a widely deployed open source project.
So, I would expect the answer is yes or very soon to be yes.
Around me, most beginners who use that don't have the skills to understand or even test what they get. They don't want to learn I guess, ChatGPT is easier.
I recently suspected a new guy was using ChatGPT because everything seemed perfect (grammar, code formatting, classes made with design patterns, etc.) but the code was very wrong. So I did some pair programming with him and asked if we could debug his simple application. He didn't know where the debug button was.
Guilty as charged, ten years into the job and I never learned to use a debugger lol.
Seriously though that's amazing to me I never met one of those... I guess 95% of them will churn out of the industry in less than five years...
Debug button? There is a button that inserts 'printf("%s:%s boop! \n" , __FUNCTION__, __LINE__) ;'?
So your results are biased, because you're not going to see the decent programmers who are just using it to take mundane tasks off their back (like generating boilerplate functions) while staying in control of the logic. You're only ever going to catch the noobs trying to cheat without fully understanding what it is they're doing.
That’s the fucking point. Juniors must learn, not copy paste random stuff. I don’t care what seniors do.
It's also probably to make things slightly simpler from a legal perspective.
That makes sense yes
Are they long, super verbose and often incorrect?
Because they'll be shit?
Docstrings based on the method signature and literal contents of a method or class are completely pointless, and that's all copilot can do. It can't Intuit anything that docstrings are actually there for.
Definitely not my experience. With a well structured code base it can be pretty uncanny. I think it's context is limited to files that are currently opened in the editor, so that may be your issue if you're coding with just one file open?
GitHub Copilot introduced a new keyword a little while ago, "@workspace", where it can see everything in your project. The code it generates uses all your own functions and variables in your libraries and it figures out how to use them correctly.
There was one time where I totally went "WTF", because it spat out Python. In a C++ project. But those kind of hallucinations are getting more and more rare. The more code you write, the better it gets. It really does become sort of like a "Copilot", sitting there coding alongside you. The mistake people make is assuming it's going to come up with ideas and algorithms for them without spending any mental energy at all.
I'm not trying to shill. I'm not a programmer by trade. Just a hobbyist who started on QBasic in the ancient times. But I've been trying to learn it off and on for the past 30 years, and I've never learned so much and had so much fun as in the last 1.5 with AI help. I can just think of stuff to do, and shit will just flow out now.
Magic, I guess ?