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[–] [email protected] 39 points 5 months ago (6 children)

Separating the artist from the art is fine.
You can like music by someone who doesn't share your social, political, or religious beliefs with.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Upvoted because this is the one I most strongly disagree with.

Hitlers art but ignore the holocaust?

Lost Prophets but ignore the lead singers horrifying SA of children?

Kanye West and his anti semitism insanity?

Chris Brown and beating the shit out of women?

R. Kelly and SA a child?

Rowling and her hatred of trans children?

Michael Jackson and his .. weird child obsession?

Gary Glitter and his SA?

[–] [email protected] 22 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Separating the artist from the art is fine for me as long as you don't support them. There is nothing inherently wrong with consuming media you like from a controversial figure.

Of course it's hard to separate the artist and the art if you actively give them money for it.

I like some of Kanye West's music but I would never spend a single cent on one of his albums, watch an ad on Youtube for his music videos or listen to his songs on streaming services.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

I cant stand listening to someone singing, knowing full well they rape children πŸ€·β€β™€οΈ

each to their own I suppose

[–] [email protected] 11 points 5 months ago (1 children)

the examples you gave

Yes, that’s what separating the art from the artist means.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Well aware. I am listing examples of why I cant separate. Hence my β€œdisagree” comment

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago

Then apparently for a person who can separate them, there are zero examples. Or null

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago

It depends: if you only listen to music (or view artwork) to feel "good" or enjoy "basking" in the emotions it evokes, then it makes sense to steer clear of artwork you disagree with or makes you uncomfortable.

But if you find value in viewing artwork that illicits a multitude of emotions, evokes introspection, throws you off balance, and forces you to consider concepts you wouldn't otherwise, then taking a moment to peak into the mind of someone you fundamentally disagree with is a great way to do that.

As Werner Herzog put it, "the poet must not avert his eyes".

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago

The Pianist is one of the best war movies I’ve ever seen… even though Polanski.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (3 children)

I'll go a step further:

You have to separate the art from the artist because there is not a single artist I've ever encountered who wasn't some kind of fucking trashhole of a person.

Artists spent their lives on being artists, not developing good interpersonal skills or understanding politics or philosophy.

Beleiving an artist is a "good person" is just setting yourself up for disappointment. Start out assuming they suck dogshit and you usually end up being right.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I think it's reasonable to draw some lines that, when crossed, you'll choose to disengage from their art.

The musician doesn't have to be a saint. But if I find out they, I don't know, love eating live puppies, I'm going to prefer spending my time and attention elsewhere.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I agree, but I like to start from a position of "this person probably sucks" because then I'm never disappointed.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago

This is a fair position to take.

I tend to avoid listening to interviews with bands I like in case they're terrible.

Though weirdly I'll chat with folks at merch tables.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago

Agreed. Show me a flawless human being, and I'll show you someone who doesn't have anything interesting to share with the world.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago

Sam from Future Islands is a pretty dope guy.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

My mind is telling me nooooo

But my body

My bodyyyyy is telling me yesss

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago

This is actually really popular among my music students. I completely disagree on most case. X raped 300 kids but hey, he makes pretty good beats so let's pay 200$ for a concert.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I guess it's the same as buying Nestle Hot Chocolate knowing full well child labor was involved. It's ok as long as your sweet tooth is satisfied.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

You got downvoted by someone who didn't understand sarcasm so I evened it back out.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I'm alright with this as long as you pirate it lol