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China has sharply ramped up its production of cheap electric vehicles, solar panels, and batteries just as the Biden administration has pushed through legislation supporting many of those same industries in the United States. ⠀

Chinese automaker BYD had recently introduced an electric SUV at the "astonishingly low" price of $14,000. China's auto industry poses an "existential threat" to U.S. carmakers, the report argued. ⠀

After more than a decade of subsidizing its automakers, China has built a substantial car industry that accounts for 60% of global electric vehicle sales, according to the Paris-based International Energy Agency. ⠀

Yellen highlighted the Biden administration's concerns by recalling a visit a week earlier to Suniva, a solar cell manufacturer in Norcross, Georgia.

The company "was once forced to close down, like other companies across a number of industries, because it could not compete against large quantities of goods that China was exporting at artificially depressed prices," Yellen said. ⠀

China hasn't committed to any steps to address American concerns, arguing that its cheap solar panels and other green products are helping the world wage the costly battle against climate change.

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 7 months ago (2 children)

I am not sure i fully understand the issue. Are the cars and solar panels not good? Or is the issue that american car companies can't compete? Because the latter is not really an issue.

[–] [email protected] 48 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

Arnaud Bertrand wrote a great article on this.

TL;DR: The 3 main signs of overcapacity (capacity utilization rates, inventory levels, and profit margins) for China are all at similar rates as the US, indicating they are not in overcapacity. And they aren't even selling them at a lower price abroad than at home to beat competition; it's the opposite. He concludes that China is simply getting too efficient at manufacturing these days and the US is starting to struggle to compete with that, and this is just them trying to convince China to slow down.

So yeah, the actual "issue" here does seem to just be that the US isn't able to compete with China in these fields anymore.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 7 months ago

the actual "issue" here does seem to just be that the US isn't able to compete with China in these fields anymore.

That'll happen when you outsource all your manufacturing for a few decades in the pursuit of quick profits for wall street.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 7 months ago

Then they can get fucked honestly. "Oh no I'm not winning in capitalism! Ban the competition! 🥺"

[–] [email protected] 24 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Have you sat in a Chinese EV? They put US and European one to shame.

Chinese solar panels used to not be great, but today they're easily competitive with the best that US and European vendors have to offer but at a fraction of the cost.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 7 months ago (1 children)

The Xiaomi SU7 is a perfect example. Xiaomi took 3 years from concept to their very first car. That in itself is insanely impressive, let alone the fact it's a great EV with a tonne of self-driving capability to rival Tesla, and comes in far cheaper. Watch the YouTube video about Xiaomi's SU7 factory, it's very impressive.

Meanwhile Apple decided to pull the plug on their first car. It's pretty telling of the situation.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 7 months ago

I have a xiaomi phone and I'm pretty impressed by their stuff. I have had zero issues and have had it for like 7 years.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago

I can't afford any car as i can't even afford getting a drivers license :(