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Anyone doing anything with Elon Musk should have serious concerns.
Are you sure? Reality check time. If Tesla gave you a job offer that’s in your field and the wage is at least 20k what you are making or over the industry avg. would you put aside your morals and take the offer?
Where did you get the idea Tesla pays above market rates for any role? They're notorious for hiring fresh college grads and just burning them out. And that's on the software side, the people building the actual cars have it even worse.
No, don’t you see, in an impossible hypothetical situation, they assume you’d do something against your stated values. You’ve been pwned by a person of logic and intellect, I’m afraid. I’m sorry, but you agree with them now.
This is correct, Tesla is known for underpaying
Maybe things have changed but for a while Elons companies paid very well for engineering/technical staff, as in solid six figures fresh out of school. Of course the only reason they paid that much was that they expected 80+ hour weeks
I said if. Would you take the offer
If I gave you a million dollars would you take it?
Me personally my morals would prevent me from taking the offer no matter the price.
You didn't read my question because that answer makes no sense.
I'd choose being paid less over working for a bipolar narcissist who fires people at the drop of a hat. But again, it's not a choice I'd have to make as I pointed out above.
Absolutely not. I wouldn't work for the Heritage Foundation for any price either. Maybe money can control you, but it doesn't control me. I'd rather be poor than hate myself.
$20k isn't going to make you rich anyway
If Tesla offered me $200k over maybe I'd think about it
I could be richer by fucking my clients but I really like sleeping
AH HA HA HA HA
20K above average? Not a chance in hell. For all the reports of how shitty the work environment is at ALL of his companies, coupled with the constant need to push far past whats ethical, or in some cases even legal... no.
Fuck no.
Not a chance in hell.
Now, throw me 500% of the average and maybe we'll talk. But You'd only get a year from me. Two tops. Just enough to pay off my bills. Then I'm gonna tell you to fuck off.
Software engineer here. I’ve literally had to make that choice. The answer was no. He treats his workers like shit, underpays a ton compared to the industry standard, and constantly engages in union busting
Even without the moral issues I wouldn’t work for him.
No.
Lol 20k. tell me you’re a musk cuck without… you know the rest.
Tesla doesn't pay more than other places, so I feel like this person just doesn't make much money and $20k is a huge differential to their hourly wage. Otherwise why not choose another arbitrary number like $50k?
At the scales of wages for engineers, project managers, etc, powering these companies, somebody in those positions would be be using a percentage.
20k is 5-15% wage over average wages for most of those job roles and that's easy to find competing offers for and not sell yourself out to overwork yourself if you qualified anyways.
Even if you did take the money, you just described a scenario in which you do have serious concerns. Ones you've ignored.
Oh, sweet soul. You just revealed to the world that you yourself lack any kind of morals, maybe you should work for Musk.
Hey! Don't talk to them like that! It might be that they don't have any self respect or are just a trash human being
Lol i just find it interesting. I asked the same question in a meta thread and over there, majority said they would take the offer!
Would I sell my principles and beliefs for 20k? No. And if anyone makes you such a generous offer, then you're already in a position when you're making more than enough for a comfortable life.
No.
It's not about morals, it's about work life balance and not having the risk of being illegally fired for no reason.
Tesla under pays compared to other car companies.
Lmao, I'm a public servant and a developer. I make that choice every year.
Absolutely not.
Sometimes you gotta weigh job security and a tolerable work environment into the mix. Working for Musk doesn't seem low-stress.
Tolerable work environment is at the top of my list. If I were to even consider working at an intolerable business, I would need to be paid enough to retire after a year. We have made it so that work is life, and also now retirement is very uncertain for most young people. There's no way I'm gonna take an intolerable job that will go on indefinitely.
No. I routinely turn down offers of 80% increase to go work for companies like Palantir, Raytheon, etc... Fuck that noise.
I mean we're talking about Tesla opening a marketing department and me running it from scratch, you'd have to at least triple the industry average as I would likely be working 16 hour days.
Have you never heard of work/life balance?