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So I made a comment on worldnews criticizing Chinese activity in the south china sea and apparently got banned for it by the automod. This happen to anyone else? Is this Lemmy's version of the need help post and the shape of things to come?

The instance I posted in was Lemmy.ml

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

They don't oppose capitalism (example Russia & China). It's closer to a support for authoritarianism (usually anti-USA, but even there shifts towards more authoritarian leadership receive support)

[–] [email protected] 17 points 8 months ago (3 children)

It's not that they don't oppose capitalism so much that they'll ignore any sense of ideological consistency on their quixotic quest to make sure that everyone knows America is Bad.

If you oppose America, you must be good, it doesn't matter if you're a genocidal kleptocracy or a genuine fascist. Internally this is rationalized by viewing America as the most dominant and powerful force for capitalism in the world, it doesn't matter if other, even worse capitalists tear it down because the American empire must fall for socialism to rise.

And it's not like that particular thought is wrong, in a vacuum. America has proven time and time again that it will break any moral barrier to attack anyone even suspected of being a socialist, it's just so evidentally self defeating you have to wonder if there are any true believers at all or if they're all sockpuppets run from a Russian speaking basement somewhere.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 8 months ago

The vibe is exactly like the astroturf shit that flooded reddit in 2016. Endless criticism of Democrats in the US, while never mentioning US conservatives for some odd reason. That's why I get from the "Jor Biden really bad, genocide! Don't vote for him, vote 3rd party!" They come to US left/democrat/liberal spaces and try to convince people to not vote for Biden, but where are the efforts to convince people to not vote for Trump? And then this "you say everyone is a russian bot lol!!" thing is also exactly what the shills on reddit did.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago

It's not that they don't oppose capitalism so much that they'll ignore any sense of ideological consistency on their quixotic quest to make sure that everyone knows America is Bad.

Spot on. Whatever that's called, that sounds like much/most of the hexbear and ml instances.

... America has proven time and time again that it will break any moral barrier to attack anyone even suspected of being a socialist,

Sadly, you're right. More to the point there are many examples of the US knocking down anything or anyone even suspected of threatening capitalists. Whether that's unions within the US, governments leaning too socialist (yet being democracies), or whatever else. I know you know this; I just felt like venting.

it's just so evidentally self defeating you have to wonder if there are any true believers at all or if they're all sockpuppets run from a Russian speaking basement somewhere.

When they all come out with new talking points about the same time, all bearing remarkable similarity, and coinciding with notable (geo)political events, and brigading certain posts, it sure makes you go, "hmm."

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago

I don't think it's about capitalism/socialism/communism at all for a lot of them at this point. They have a fairly simple ideology: the enemy of my enemy is my friend. And their enemy happens to be their own government.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 months ago

its still part of Russian geoplitical strategy - shifts to the right are self-destructive and help USA's enemies

during the 80's, USA pushed the USSR's allies in South America to adopt more conservative governments as a means of destroying them from the inside, and today Russia is attempting to employ the same strategy against USA