this post was submitted on 27 Feb 2024
714 points (97.1% liked)
Firefox
17849 readers
72 users here now
A place to discuss the news and latest developments on the open-source browser Firefox
founded 4 years ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
view the rest of the comments
Been using pixel phones for that reason, since... Pixel XL, and six pixel phones since then. Used several different AOSP based OS-es, most recently CalyxOS on Pixel 4a, and then GrapheneOS on Pixel 6a and now the 8 Pro.
Everything works, and you can choose how much of Google you invite back in. The best part is that the Google stuff doesn't get any special treatment. Which means that the Pixel Camera app and Google Photos isn't allowed access to Internet, because why should it?
The only thing that is still fundamentally flawed, are remote push notifications. And I don't mean that it's flawed for GeapheneOS, they work fine. It's flawed in the sense that information goes through Google or Apple. The privacy concerns there are significant. It's not end-to-end encrypted. You cannot avoid the problem either by disabling them on your phone. Each application, be that a Ring Camera, or backend messaging system, etc, that sends the stuff to Google through notification apis, will do so regardless of how much you sandbox or disable those services on the phone-receiving end. Conveniently, there is no effort by Apple or Google to make this core functionality any less tied to Apple or Google. The "asynchronous" nature makes it a problem that needs to be solved for each and every backend service system, for remote notifications. Some privacy conscious apps/services might let you limit what is sent to Google so you only get "New message from Hubbie" instead of also "Hubbie: remember to buy the paint for the baby-room! I'm so excited".
Anyways... Not sure why I went on such a long tangent. I was done pooping a while ago.
CalyxOS on a Pixel is as great as it currently gets. But stuff can get better.
Do you like the Pixel 8 Pro? I'm waiting to see what the Pixel 8a looks like. I don't expect a lot from my phone so I don't need a flagship, but I do value long term security updates and the 8 series has 7 years of updates.
I think the 8a, if it's similar to the 8, might be a better size. But, I'm also fairly sure be fine with any of them.
My current phone is about the 8 Pro size, and I think it's a bit too big. The 8 might be good enough, but yeah, I'd like to see what the 8a looks like before deciding.
@sugar_in_your_tea @okamiueru 7 years of updates is great, but will the phone's battery last for 7 years, though?
I can replace a battery, that's not an issue. I can't realistically provide my own security updates.
@sugar_in_your_tea fair enough & I suppose you could just go to a repair shop if not....
Chances are, I'll replace the phone within 7 years, but I've run past the end of updates on almost every phone I've had so far, so longer is better. In fact, that's why I'm looking to replace my current phone, I'm happy with how it works, just not happy with a lack of security updates.
@sugar_in_your_tea Same here.. Until now, I've pretty much used each phone until the batteries died or the phones stopped receiving updates. My current phone, "OnePlus 9 Pro," is different, though, because I'm considering replacing the battery when it goes and using the phone long after updates have stopped. Having no security updates doesn't really bother me because I don't actually use my phone all that much, and whenever I do, I'm pretty careful anyway.