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[–] [email protected] 136 points 2 years ago (5 children)

I don’t think anybody thinks that.

[–] [email protected] 91 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Not explicitly, maybe, but implicitly, absolutely, and in multiple ways:

  • Supporting the system that creates one over the other
  • Having 'bootstrap' attitudes about the poor
  • Worrying about property value over utilization
  • Complaining about the homeless rather than the lack of action on housing
  • Voting against people who run on public housing

In so, so many ways, people say they prefer the latter over the former. Usually just with the caveat that the homeless people also be invisible.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Maybe we should institute a tax on underutilized land in metro areas.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 2 years ago

Land Value Tax 👀

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago
[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I wonder who is doing this voting? Oh, it's people who live in the areas we can't afford to live in. And capitalists add lobbying power to those voters selfish interests.

[–] [email protected] 68 points 2 years ago (3 children)

In the United States at least, your local government's public hearings for new housing developments kinda begs to differ.

People will demand the homeless be eliminated from their area while simultaneously opposing development of housing or shelters for the homeless in their area.

So maybe you're right though: they don't hate the apartments more, they simply can't make up their mind on which they hate more.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I agree but want to say everyone jumps to homeless. There are a ton of normal people that are suffering from high rent, lack of options, etc. We need to think about way more than homeless.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

So it sounds like zoning laws are the problem?

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 years ago (2 children)

In some cases. But even proposed changes to zoning laws can get this kind of opposition.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Aside from zoning laws, there's the lack of a unified federal intervention. This prevents any one area from addressing the local homeless issue because any area that takes steps to address it will consequently absorb more homeless individuals from other places in the country. For example, if a city in California develops a program to house any homeless individuals, then homeless individuals from other cities and states will be more likely to go to said city to get housed. Even worse, there are states that would actually pay for their transportation. What would happen is that either the city would have to solve a much larger homeless problem as new homeless move into town, or the initial wave of homeless people will be house while the new arrivals and homeless will stay homeless, leaving a continued homeless problem.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago

Succinctly put.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

So conservative NIMBYs are the problem?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

There's definitely an "I got mine, fuck you." component, yes.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It's not far off what many think. Many think apartments are, oh so many adjectives, dirty, poor, unsanitary, inhumane, cruel, unusual, etc.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Who is “many”? Do you have surveys and data to support this?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children)

Go to/watch any planning or proposal meeting and watch the pearl clutching and nimbyism. I think you know this but you want to demand "studies" instead of engaging in good faith.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

you want to demand "studies" instead of engaging in good faith.

Said the ocean gate sub captain.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

jiggles keys Who wants to go see a shipwreck??

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago

Sure they do. Look at all of the posts from my neighbors on Facebook and Nextdoor every time a developer tries to build an apartment building instead of a single family home in our neighborhood.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

We're not building homes, we're not focussing on density. But apparently our elected officials have no problem letting people set up shanty towns. Where do you think the priorities lay?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

What do you mean we’re not building homes? I have plenty of homes and apartments being built in my city that cater to lots of strata of incomes.