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You really don’t want to agree though. Voter suppression only hurts you, they’re either blatant russian trolls or completely clueless about just how much blood and effort their ancestors had to give to earn that vote in the first place.
A lot of soldiers died fighting for colonialism under British rule. That doesn't make colonialism a good thing.
I hate this argument that's just being circulated around but nobody ever stops to question.
If you want to make a case for voting for the lesser evil, there's more convincing arguments. I have mine that apply to my own country and I'm sure you have yours.
And this is exactly the kind of lack of perspective that guy is talking about. Imagine if there was no "lesser evil" and you lived in an authoritarian regime where those who love money and power continually rise to the top and take advantage of everybody else. There's not even a chance in that system for peaceful reform, and that's what don't vote idiots don't get because they've never been outside of a modern democracy and have very interesting history "study" habits (usually quoting things out of context and running away when someone tries to hold them to their shit).
No, it is not. The reason the parent poster gave to vote at all costs is not logically sound and won't convince anyone that isn't already convinced.
And convincing others to keep dictators out of power is more efficient at keeping dictators out or power than just posing as morally right. You ain't winning any vote alone, it takes majorities.
I don't understand your argument. Things aren't the best, so fuck it do nothing? Let the people who will vote make all the decisions? I just don't get it. If you can't be bothered to vote, ever if it's for the lesser of two evils, then what can you be bothered to do besides comment online?
He's a "revolutionary" as depicted in the historical documentary The Life of Brian
No need for unproductive name-calling. I didn't disrespect you.
Hopefully it serves as a wakeup call. Not intended to be unproductive, but you're right I shouldn't have been rude.
It does not. I'm still not convinced using shitty feel-good arguments helps keep Trump and other shitheads worldwide out of power.
But I guess reality flies way above the head of the patronizing liberals.
Reread my initial comment.
Edit: for clarity. What I meant is that saying "vote because people died so you could" is stupid. That's meaningless Hollywood shit. It won't convince anyone in disagreement.
Saying: "your son is Minority X and is in concrete, material danger if Y comes into power" successfully helped me convince someone to vote against fascism before, despite them not being fans of who they were voting for. That is an example that worked in my situation, and won't apply to everyone.
We're no longer reasoning in the realm of fairies and unicorns, but are talking about tangible things that people care about.
PoV: you live in a bourgeois democracy
I meant agree with the other stuff that anarchists talk about, like mutual aid and other ways of "being the change". I like voting.
Do you think that Russia invests significant resources in using English speakers to troll in niche reddit clones?
That honestly comes off as super conspiracy brained.
Sounds like what the russians would say!
Nah, there’s plenty of dipshits out there, hexbear can’t all be bots. Meant more on a general internet sense than specifically here.