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Are there any (livable 🥺) countries that basically allow anyone to become a citizen? Specifically where an English speaker could get by.

Edit: by allowing anyone I mean poor people with no skills.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

How much money are you bringing with you? There are countries that offer golden visa programs to the wealthy. Some of them may still have residency requirements (e.g. live there for x years) but otherwise it would basically allow anyone with money to become a citizen, or at the bare minimum obtain a visa to live there.

https://www.investopedia.com/golden-visa-program-7975290

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago

Yeah... Not enough... Barely any.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago (2 children)

"Greece’s golden visa program requires a minimum investment of approximately $263,000 (€250,000) in real estate."
Is that enough to buy an average house? Is the economy still this bad over there?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I just looked at realestate.com for greece, it's really bad. I'm probably not searching right but i looked at a few dozen "houses" up to 250k euro and they are legit ruins. Also 90% of the photos are terrible. I also suspect most of these listings are scams, I swear I saw the same houses a few times. I did see some really gnarly looking trees though, those would be cool to look at from your caved in house.

Ok, all the bogus listings are 1 bed 1 bath, setting it to 2 bed 1 bath minimum gets such better results. There are some really neat houses for 100k-150k euro. Lookit this one: https://www.realestate.com.au/international/gr/neapoli-crete-120082459627//

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Location, location, location

The us can be really cheap too. But you won't want to live there.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

That's a good point. But the US is not offering this same path to citizenship to anyone willing to buy a house in rural Alabama. I assumed these visa programs were aimed at attracting wealthy foreigners which is why the US has something similar for anyone willing to invest $800K in a commercial enterprise. That's why I was curious if $263K is considered relatively wealthy in Greece and could buy a house even in desirable areas. The fact that apparently this is not the case makes the goals of this program unclear.