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[–] [email protected] 22 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I've sometimes heard it phrased that "Japan has been living in the year 2000 since 1980."

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I think it’s because the country did not significantly recover from the 90s financial crisis, and their society is so conservative that they literally could not try anything modern again afterwards

They literally went “industrial society and it’s consequences have been a disaster for Japanese society”

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I agree with the first part, but not the second.

The impact of the financial crisis reverberates to this day, and that drives a huge proportion of the issues, but the crisis in my opinion was inevitable. From my perspective, the Post-War Economic Miracle, as it's called, catapulted Japan through all the stages of economic development into an almost accelerated version of the same problems that are afflicting the U.S. and other Western countries.

The dream of infinite growth in the Japanese context fell flat for the same reasons it is falling apart in other developed countries. A rise in standard of living and wages led to offshoring and outsourcing of production, the hollowing out of the middle class, a work culture at odds with family life, and so on. The country's land and businesses were valued in the late 1980s as though it could remain competitive internationally with a mostly domestic supply chain, even as the production costs of its goods continued to rise along with the needs of its population, which in a globalized economy turned out to be a pipe dream.

We see the same thing in the U.S., where every president promises to restore the American manufacturing base, then comes up against the reality that U.S.-produced products made by U.S. workers paid U.S. wages cannot be competitive with something built in Southeast Asia and shipped overseas for less than $100 per ton. But the conservatism of Japanese society certainly plays a role, in that the country is highly resistant to change, and also due to a rigidity that stifles innovation, making it hard to start new businesses outside the keiretsu/conglomerate structure. The U.S. has somewhat mitigated its manufacturing decline through the creation of new service sector and especially tech businesses that operate internationally, which path is less available to Japan due to the rigidity of its business structure.

But the part I disagree with is the idea that Japan has rejected industrial society. Japan is still extremely proud of its culture and the impact it's had globally. They love that people in western countries eat ramen and sushi, play Nintendo games or watch anime, and they have a deep reverence for their globally successful businesses and particularly the auto industry. They have no desire to reject or withdraw from industrial society, they just haven't been able to figure out amidst external economic barriers, and internal cultural and financial barriers, how to move forward.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

We see the same thing in the U.S., where every president promises to restore the American manufacturing base, then comes up against the reality that U.S.-produced products made by U.S. workers paid U.S. wages cannot be competitive with something built in Southeast Asia and shipped overseas for less than $100 per ton.

That is the lie they tell us. Meanwhile we do everything we can to make we don't have an industrial base.

  • We zone factories far away from everything instead of allowing them to be in normal commuting range
  • We tax the land they are on the same way we tax commercial property. Which you might think is fair but we don't do that to farmers. Especially considering how easy retail gets it, with governments willing to give plenty of free roads and police protection to them
  • We treat inventory as taxable which punishes factories that want a buffer and rewards the quick turnover of fast fashion places. Ever wonder why they never have your size and you have to go to the website to get it?
  • Thanks to our shit medical system any workplace injury is going to be devastating which means that the insurance as a whole will be very high.
  • Factory investments take longer to pay off which doesnt mean much when we all think quarterly. A tax on rapid stock trading could probably fix that but that isn't going to happen.

There are other factors as well. We don't hire women to do factory work which limits the labor pool. There is still a lot of discrimination against Latinos and African Americans. Which again lowers the labor pool and kinda leaves us with...well the kind of people who feel only comfortable only working with white Christian men.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

oh nice! i hope i get to use that at a party before i forget it!