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Oil industry lobbyists are a bitch, eh?

Did I read that right? What are you printing from your steam deck?

Wonder how much public funding was used toward the research.

Yeah server owner.

Well I assume the original complaint was alluding to the common criticism that discord is a walled garden that makes information harder to find than if everything existed on forums on normal websites. Those forums are easy to search through because search engines have been parsing it all without the owner having to do any extra work. Yeah, each forum/website owner could take special steps to make sure their site is indexed and searchable, but the vast majority don't or do it poorly, and that's why the search engine has value (or did before the internet was mostly social media and listicles).

You'd want more than just a wiki, because I think the thing people want searchable are the discussions. I know on more than one occasion I've had to go seek out and join specific discord servers to see how Linux support for a specific new product is (not to mention needing a discord account just to do this search). It's as though everyone moved to a centralized version of usenet, which is at least two steps backwards from how the internet was 15 years ago.

Don't vanilla skyrim NPCs detect when you've taken your clothes off? I remember Morrowind NPCs shunning you if you were diseased.

Ok, so it sounds like you are in fact arguing that people shouldn't be allowed to run a system that forces updates. And yeah, I think we will have to agree to disagree. I believe people should be free to run whatever they want on their own devices, regardless of my personal beliefs.

Remember, we're not talking about a system that spies on you without telling you, or recommends things to you without you wanting it to, we're specifically talking about a system that says "either let me update myself, or I will stop functioning". And I think that's perfectly reasonable system for a person to want and have.

lol the difference of course being that Phil Spencer is not living on the income of a standup comedian.

Yeah, I don't think you're disagreeing with my point. I get it, you aren't the person who wants to be treated like an idiot when it comes to your computer, but the vast majority of computer users do.

There are many things in your life that you rely on on a daily basis that you never think about the internals of. Maybe your electrical system, your washer and dryer, your car, the roof over your head, the mail system, or the kitchen at a restaurant. All of these things are black boxes that get you what you want without you having to ever think about how it works. Because you don't want manual control over every single thing in your life you interact with, no one has time for that, you couldn't function in modern society.

Your computer is an exception that you have arbitrarily chosen to have intimate control over, but most other people don't. In their perfect world, they don't even know they're using a computer, it's just a magical box that gets them what they want.

Ah right, users and bots are treated differently. So yeah, in order to crawl disc servers without first asking every single one permission, you'd have to break the ToS. I have no idea if matrix has a separate "bot" type account.

Really, I think the matrix protocol needs some kind of support for this. I mean, both discord and matrix do, but I don't think discord would ever do it.

Time will tell. I mean, he's not wrong. I think it's pretty clear that studios have to make profitable games at the cost of interesting games. But it's not like msft or anyone else is going to change their behavior. They have a fiduciary duty to their shareholders to profit as much as possible.

Yeah probably, though any good search engine starts by presuming consent until the owner explicitly says otherwise (robots.txt), and discord would probably take issue with that.

Which part exactly are you disagreeing with? Do you think that we should force people to never be allowed to run an OS that enforces a strict update regimen? Because I think you probably actually think that the user should be allowed to choose how they update; whether that be mandatory and automatic, or manual and optional. The reality is, the vast majority of people will opt for the former, and I think we both agree that they should be allowed that choice.

The real issue is transparency: what is being installed and executed, why, and is any data being collected. As long as all that can be audited at will, I don't see any issue with the existence of an OS that insists on being updated for the people who want that.