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[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I haven't read much Trotsky. Thank you for the recommendation. I will give it a read. My fault with Lenin has been the mechanism by which the vanguard party relinquishes power to the prolitariat.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 days ago

I realize I expanded the scope by bringing Engels' "On Authority" into the conversation. I want to remain focused on Lenin's vanguard party as an implementation of the "dictatorship of the prolitariat". I agree that Lenin's ideas were informed by the writings of Marx.

Marx's "dictatorship of the prolitariat" could be implemented as a vanguard party as per Lenin. Lenin's iteration could be construed as accurate to Marx's definition.

However, Marx also referred to the Paris Commune as a "dictatorship of the prolitariat" even without a vanguard party. Therefore my qualm, similar to the original comment, is that Lenin's vanguard party is a method to extract rents from the prolitariat.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

I like how your post addresses the anti-intellectualism of the original post. I also like the acknowledgment of cherry picking sources. The critique validly states the meme creator is ignoring scholarly sources on the right. The best part is, even with scholarly sources involved, humans are still silly. Humans sometimes consume content, TV show or book, to feel superior to other humans.

I have found delving into the views of others has helped me create better arguments. For example, I read "Anarchy, State and Utopia" by Robert Nozick, to better understand the anarcho-capitalist minimal state position. Even if I can form a better argument, I realize I can "proceed to say the most stupid shit". Keep it stupid comrades.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (5 children)

Lenin had contemporary critiques.

When the people are being beaten with a stick, they are not much happier if it is called "the People's Stick".

  • Statism and Anarchy by Mikhail Bakunin

A concern is the vanguard party ruling over the prolitariate thereby exchanging capital ownership from one minority to another.

Engels argued the imbalance of ownership is natural because a mill is subject to the authority of the water to operate. There is a lack of imagination in justifying a ruling minority after the revolution by saying that's how capitalist technology works.

What good are my electric tools if I am unable to get electricity from the centralized power plant of the vanguard party? I will need to subject myself to the minority and pay rents. How does Lenin's vanguard party differ from capitalism in terms of ownership? Does it only work if the vanguard party are benevolent towards the prolitariat?