Thief_of_Crows

What a fool, you should have used your money responsibly, like me, who gambled it all away. Your way was such a waste!

I worked at Domino's for 6 months and was the closer who actually gave a shit about dishes, 5 nights a week. They fired me for mixing up what day I was scheduled, once. I was easily the best driver/closer at the time, LMAO.

If we actually took an order 2 minutes before close, it was always the fastest delivery of the night. Those orders literally never tipped me more than $1.50. Even the people who apologized for doing it.

Not sure what the chicken thing is about, we didn't do it whatever way he was saying.

Of course it's insulting, how do you expect a school to make a profit if there isnt a corporation selling overpriced food in every hallway? You insulted not just the school, but capitalism itself.

Including the professor. Hell, by my sophomore year I wouldn't have been paying attention to another presentation regardless of the time of day. Either it mattered and I was worried about my own, or it didn't and I was on reddit.

Does this mean it's still possible that a poop machete or poop katana is viable?

Why would employees ever be paid exactly the same? It's obviously paid by position and seniority.

Capitalism is not equivalent to a free market. In general, free markets are simply something people create. Capitalism is when the power resides with the capital.

Socialism means that the power resides with society. Not the government. Afaik, workers owning the means of production is the only way to do this. A true socialist state has a pretty small government, because like you've pointed out, central governments are pretty vulnerable. 50 different worker unions across 5 different industries, who do not allow outside investors, is not at all vulnerable.

Cronyism must happen in any true capitalist society for this reason:

1. As a business owner, you are required to do anything legal to increase shareholder value, otherwise investors will sue you.

2. Rewriting laws is a highly effective means of increasing your companies value.

3. It is legal to bribe the government for new laws.

If any large business does not do this, they will lose to their competition who does. This is why cronyism is the natural state of capitalism.

I don't see why a real founder of a company shouldn't maintain some huge amount of ownership as high as 10-15%, for life. They started it, after all. The people who are left out of the deal are the investor class, who have never done any actual work for the company.

The countries America has destabilized via the CIA is extensive. The methods range among: assassinations of elected leaders (at least 5 foreign presidents, that's what I found a couple minutes, probably closer to 15), rigging elections, arming a neighboring warlord who then slaughters hundreds of thousands (Jakarta, 1963, 1 million dead in under a week), placing trade embargos on them to prevent them getting necessary supplies, and even using our fruit companies to put their economy into a stranglehold, then demanding the laws be changed to benefit the banana companies.

Venezuela in particular has been completely ravaged by America killing their elected socialists, then installing authoritarian puppets who go on to brutalize everyone. Pretty close to every single south American country has been a victim of the CIA. Chile is another great example, CIA assassinated Allende, then installed Pinochet, one of the worst dictators in history. I suggest you look up more, I can't possibly cover even 10% of it here. The events in Jakarta, 1963 is a great place to start, along with the last 80 years in venezuala.

These events happened largely because the capitalists needed another war to profit off of. All of the atrocities the CIA has committed over the years are directly attributable to capitalism and it's need for infinite growth, forever.

Crony capitalism IS capitalism, in its purest form. The system incentives doing it, so it will ALWAYS happen. Tech firms aren't left at all, theyr all capitalists solely out for their own gain.

Socialism is when the workers own the means of production. The collective workers in any given company own it. Not the government. That's why it's so insulated against authoritarianism, because without the unions behind it, an authoritarian govt has nothing.

The reason the results we've seen are authoritarianism and collapse is that the US military/CIA have gone out of their way to make sure the ones that aren't authoritarian will collapse. Rigging elections, assassinating elected leaders, blocking trade, etc.

It's better for your political system to have a central tenet that is good, and which it sometimes doesn't live up to, than it is for it to have one which is bad and it always lives up to. Capitalisms central tenet is to take the power that should belong to the people, and give it to clueless rich guys who don't work.

No ownership of large parts of multiple companies, no cronyism. Well, minimal cronyism. If a large shareholder of UPS cannot possibly also own large shares of an airline, then they can't possibly act in their own interest but not the company's.

Why would the incentives for workers not be there, if the system is requiring that those workers be paid 100% of profits? The only people without incentives are the rich leeches who don't want to do real work.

I don't know for certain that fascists love capitalism, but capitalists sure love fascism. Most of the Uber wealthy in the mid 20th century were more than happy to work with the Nazis. And the Nazis certainly were not opposed to working with those capitalists. The two ideologies are very similar: both steadily constrict the power of the government into fewer and fewer hands, until you get situations like Nazi Germany or present day USA, where one group of a few thousand has near complete control over the country.

I was using socialism as a blanket term for "the left" there (do you know a better one?). All 3 of them were further left than Bernie Sanders, which I'd argue makes them socialists (the blanket term)

Not sure where you're getting the idea socialism tends towards authoritarianism, it has more defenses to it than capitalism. Capitalism literally demands that a company do everything it can to co-opt the government, because if you don't, your competitors will. By contrast, socialism is commonly referred to as "workplace democracy". It has distributing power as widely as possible as its central tenet, IE workers owning the means of production.

Well, the citizens they killed were literally firing on them and killed around 150 soldiers. Meanwhile the military for the most part did not have guns. Not saying it is justified even then to use military force on striking workers, but a hell of a lot more justified than western media claims. Oh yeah, and literally no college students died that day, as well as nobody within a mile of Tianenmen Square.

Yeah but this way is way scarier, cause even if you survive the army, you now also have to invent a time machine if you ever want to get back home.

Right, but I have already challenged my opinion far more than is necessary, I'm not going to start over. I used to think of myself as a capitalist, and as a liberal. But then I challenged my beliefs, and I found that they didn't hold water. By I believe the transitive property, that means I no longer need to seriously consider whether capitalism or liberalism are reasonable views to hold.

As a result, unless I see a whole lot of new information on the subject, I am going to assume that any fact which seems to suggest capitalism or liberalism are valid systems is actually just misleading or false. And you should too. People have been having these debates with themselves for 150+ years, and all of the smartest people came up with the answer of socialism (Einstein, MLK, Lenin, etc). Meanwhile, all of the grifters and Nazi lovers came up with capitalism/liberalism