TheDankHold

The West Bank isn’t ruled by Hamas, they have zero presence there. You have a very limited perspective on this.

This is the manipulative framing people love to use but anyone with even a passing understanding of what’s happening can see how manipulative it is.

You’re referring to Gaza which has been under blockade/siege since Israel withdrew. By framing it how you have you ignore the reality that even without a direct occupation Israel is crushing Gaza from a health perspective, a social perspective, and a financial perspective.

Not to mention Gaza isn’t the only Palestinian territory. In the time since Israel began sieging Gaza, the West Bank has seen upwards of fifty Palestinians killed per year by Israeli settlers, all backed by IDF soldiers. This is in a territory without Hamas by the way.

It takes some serious ignorance to act like Israel isn’t directly responsible for the abject poverty of Palestinians.

It benefits propagandists to try to arbitrarily reduce the scope of a topic so they can focus on framing things in a way that validates their position.

Conflict didn’t START in 2023. Any suggestion otherwise is either naive or manipulative. The conditions that gave rise to Hamas have existed for decades and the continuation of these conditions will keep this conflict going until one group of extremists gets their genocidal wish. Right now it looks like Likud and other extreme Zionists are the ones getting their genocide.

I’m talking about Palestinians in general because they all get brutalized and Hamas is used as justification when they are only in one territory. Hamas is used as a distraction from the fact that Israelis just want to steal all of Palestinians land.

Regardless, the occupation in Gaza turned into a blockade/siege, why do people say they occupation stopped like that meant anything in practical terms for the citizens on the ground.

The Zionists I’m talking about funded and propped up Hamas. Likud is not younger than Hamas. You seem to have a very limited understanding of this.

They went from occupation to siege. Not much improvement. I also wasn’t talking about Gaza so try to stay on topic.

In the West Bank, with no Hamas presence, Israeli settlers backed by the IDF come kill them and take their homes. The Israeli leadership doesn’t want a two state solution because extreme Zionists are in power.

You’re my hero

I’m asking for a real answer not myopic snark. I didn’t ask what you wouldn’t do, I asked what you WOULD do. The irony of you accusing that other person of being disingenuous when that’s your entire perspective. Pathetically transparent.

Israel isn’t an earthquake or a volcano. They are a government run by humans. Unlike a natural disaster, they can dial down the brutality anytime they want. Like the other commenter said, your analogy is so fundamentally flawed it’s amazing you’re defending it with such unearned confidence.

How about instead of a volcano it’s a ship of Europeans trying to enslave your people and take your land? You probably don’t like that because it doesn’t let you absolve the Israeli government of responsibility for their own human decisions.

I’m sure that’ll be really comforting to a child whose family got shot by settlers in the West Bank.

Still haven’t told me what you’d do. Answer the question directly instead of deflecting. Imagine your family has been run off their ancestral home and your father was shot in the head by Israeli settlers. Imagine then the IDF backing these settlers up, giving them government approval. Now be honest and ask yourself if it would be easy to remain reasonable and understanding of the opposition at this point.

The way they express this idea is violent and unacceptable but the sentiment didn’t appear in a vacuum. The circumstances that breed this have been very deliberately placed upon Palestinians by extreme Zionists in the Israeli government.

They “had to go somewhere” is only true if you decide Europe can’t fix its own antisemitism.

Regardless, they didn’t have to displace people from their homes. The US, especially in the 40s, has tons of space for new communities to form.

There was no need to kick locals out of their homes so you can ship in foreigners.

Also don’t separate Arab and Jew. There are Arab Jews and they lived alongside Palestinians for centuries. The land was lived in by Arabs and Europeans came in and kicked most of them out of half of their homelands.

Britain promised the Arabs (which had members of all three main abrahamic sects) that they could rule the land they lived in. Then after the war they promised some Europeans that they could have all of that territory. The analogy fits just fine.