are the soviets operated with consent and consensus?
Is this material to whether the soviet is concentrating power? Either way you have a small group of people making legislative and executive actions.
Okay, so, the end result of inspiring people means that their political project succeeded? Their end goal was to inspire people? I thought their end goal was a classless, stateless society?
Thats literally the difference between us, I believe less exploitation is better than waiting for a perfect solution. Socializing the means of production, even if it doesn't eliminate all exploitation, eliminates capitalist exploitation, which is a massive win for the working class as it is the main source of our exploitation.
I'm not sure if after capitalism is destroyed socialist States will actually wither away or not, but Im sure they'll be less bloody to move past than capitalism was if it is the latter.
Okay, so at this point it seems anarchist societies are pretty impossible, if all these principled anarchists end up forming non-anarchist societies over and over again when they win power.
So what is even the point of being an anarchist? To feel good about yourself?
should judge ideologies by their propositions.
Okay, I see. If we are judging ideologies purely by "wouldn't it be nice if" then anarchism is clearly superior.
Well, on second though, no. "wouldn't it be nice if we didn't get defeated by fascists" certainly has a pretty nice ring to it...
And you don't get to no true Scotsman away the Catalonian or Ukrainian anarchists, who did large scale anarchist projects.
we do know what oppression is, and we can fight it.
You're against concentration of power. Can you name a single revolution that succeeded without some concentrated power, democratically concentrated or otherwise?
It seems like you want to fight and lose.
Oh, wow, so they killed some people and bombed wall street.
How successful was that in achieving their political objectives?
Sorry, are you saying there haven't been any large scale anarchist projects?
i do know that i don’t trust anyone else to decide how i keep myself fed and safe.
Thats some right libertarian hyper-individualist hogwash. Stop being alienated from your fellow workers.
i would empower individuals to a maximum degree and destroy concentrations of power wherever they’re found.
So, let's say the workers form Soviets. Those Soviets have to be destroyed, right?
I think the anarchists in Spain have more of a claim to define anarchism than you tbh. And they absolutely had authority. Hell, they had concentration camps.
Okay, so would you agree that they failed at forming a classless, stateless society?