Facebones

This is the way I've come to look at it: non-violence is ideal, but non-violence is one of many "languages." (Obviously here we're just talking about violence, but yknow some is political, some is social, etc.) Some people can speak many of these, some people only speak one or refuse to use others (like how you say you will only use nonviolence.)

The issue is that some people only speak one language, and aren't going to "understand" (be persuaded or moved by) others no matter what. A bigot only understands hate and emotion so they aren't going to be swayed from that position by logic or facts because they don't "speak" that language.

What I'm getting at, is that for people who only speak violence - non-violence doesn't mean anything to them except an easy target. They aren't going to consider your viewpoint because you won't fight back, they won't back down because "clearly you aren't a threat." They're going to violence until they reach their ends. With somebody like that, you have to "speak their language."

Of course on an individual level you (maybe) can get the police to handle it, but on a social level like dealing with nazis you have to keep them scared of return violence. They are violent by nature (the entire ideology is elimination of undesirables) and should be treated as such. Let them know that we punch nazis. Let them know they aren't the only ones with guns and unlike most of them we go to the range. Let them know if they wear iron crosses and shit they're getting kicked the fuck out. Fuck them, and let them know we'd be happy to fuck em up if they want to give us the opportunity.

I'm generally anti-violence myself, but I'm also a large guy so I'm lucky enough to be able to avoid it. I can't bring myself to be a pacifist though. Knocking some kid around is easy come take a swing at me and see how it goes. Shrug

Maybe I missed it being mentioned elsewhere, but I think the writeup I'm familiar fits well with this angle of the discussion. Basically, it says tolerance is a social contract that we're all born into and protected by so long as we uphold our part of the contract (by being tolerant.) If you are intolerant then you break that contract and are no longer protected by it, therefore making intolerance toward you acceptable and not a breach of the contract for others.

(Also, I agree that religions/race/etc are invalid for judging somebody's tolerance)

At least with battle passes its all laid out and its more a case of putting the play time in.

You're quick to imply that this study is bullshit, yet offer no counter argument except "believing statistics is for losers lul"

So where are your sources to refute the article?

I'm in DC and NYC a lot, and the places I stay are almost always pretty quiet areas (cause I'm not staying in the hotbed touristy/party-y areas)

Even in cities, most people have average boring 9 to 5 jobs and need to sleep at night. When you get away from those particular areas (of course Times Square isnt indicative of the "norm," right?) its all pretty mundane actually.

Hell I was never around guns as a kid and I was still taught this at a similar age.

Stonks

Its the car centric mindset of just jetting all over town for the fuck of it more or less. As I mentioned elsewhere, if we were ""going out"" I'd understand changing, but we had one drink and left (which was the plan from the jump.) we could have been on the way out of the bar by the time we left their house if we'd just gone there.

Yeah its equally dumb on a bus but most people on public transit wouldn't do that because it IS silly for one drink.

If they wore particularly expensive stuff, maybe. They weren't, nor are they particularly concerned about such things, just "comfort." If we were going out all night it tracks but we literally had one drink and left.

Its a car centric attitude I don't understand. Driving absurdly out of your way wasting an hour and a half cause why not hurrdurr car.

Shouldn't have had a Hamas commander in his back pocket 🤷‍♂️

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I can't speak to how often, but it definitely happens.

Its a perception thing, they see it as "I dont have to'learn' anything I just follow these tutorials" even though a similar amount of effort would get them through the few commands they might need on Linux.