Asklemmy

Bio-availability matters. The sugars that are bound with the fibre matter. The fact that the sugar is so concentrated and processed matters.

In order for it to be the same, you’d need to bind the sugars to the fibres because those linkages matter afaik. So you CAN do it, but the process required would basically entail recreating the fruit.

Now I’m talking WAY out of my depth here, but the information is around

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7393990/

Holy crap, don't get your dietary advice from this place apparently.

Added sugar is bad because we don't need all the sugar we tipically consume.

Eating fruits is healthier because you eat other nutrients (such as vitamins) and fibers that fill you faster make you eat less (while providing other benefits to your gastrointestinal system). A pure friot juice is more filling, contains more nutrients and less calories than sugary water with fruit additives and colorants, because as other said pure sugar is pure energy but doesn't have nutrients, only calories. If you consume very little it's the same (only as in calories) as eating a larger amount of fruits, but the little part is the problem usually.

Eating too much fruit is also unhealthy, and can still be diabetic, it's just much harder, more expensive and less convenient to consume unhralthy amounts of food rather than sugar.

Lol just try it yourself. Pound some white sugar and psyllium husks and see how you feel afterwards.

Fructose is less of a spiker to your bloodsugar than glucose. Burns slower

Frequency matters. Natural fruits are not always available.

That being said you can get diabetes by eating bananas all the time, nothing magic about natural fructose. Sugar isn't great for you, it increases you blood sugar, and by consequence your insulin levels. Prolonged high insulin levels are highly correlated with modern health issues.

As someone who was very into Keto dieting for a while I have some experience with this research - however I am just a nerd who likes details and not a professional dietician or nutritionist so this is only using internet articles available via Google for my statements.

Sucrose is the freely available white sugar that is called "sugar" for cooking/baking. It is 99% carbohydrate energy and has been cleaned through processing to remove all but the sucrose. It has no added benefits other than being freely available energy.

Fructose is a sugar formed naturally in fruits. Fructose is unprocessed sugar (not Raw but completely untouched and still requiring extraction from the fruit flesh. Raw is just a marketing term for cheap processed sugar). Since it is only available by eating fruit, there is the associated idea that it must be better. It isn't as bad as sugar but it isn't healthy.

Sucrose is made of fructose and glucose, so the argument that it is easier to break down fructose might be made. Fructose can only be broken down in the liver while sucrose is absorbed by the liver, gallbladder, spleen, and intestines. Given this narrow window of fructose availability, it is likely healthier than sugar because of the short exposure time to fructose.

So to answer your question, sucrose infused with fiber and nutrients is not the same as fructose available from plants. Separating the components is more intensive for fruit and fructose than trying to separate the easily mixed sugar and additives.

This thread is going reveal to a lot of people just how bad the science around sugar is right now.

Generally speaking, the point is not to consume too much and that would be nice except oops! our economic system is based on excessive consumption and sugar is kind of a really cheap ingredient to just add to make your food, so lets do a bunch of mental gymnastics so we don't have to explain why it's legal to sell canned diabetes with its 900 grams per can.

The fact it lacks nutrients and protein is another huge problem, you can go malnourished for awhile but because your body doesn't produce enough protein on its own, you can literally starve to death if you don't get it from other sources. Insulin is also needed alongside glucose to get energy where it needs to be so too much at once can overwhelm you and if do this long enough and you'll get the type 2.

So make sure you're getting all your nutrients, make sure you're getting your proteins, and don't consume too much or too fast. It's certainly possible to do all of this through a nontraditional diet but our society and body has kind of evolved to create the optimal solution for keeping us alive in a sustainable fashion, or at least that WAS the case until capitalism started putting profits over human lives.

EDIT: Didn't know where to put this so i'll tack it on to the end. You can actually get huge energy spikes by consuming the glucose by itself (sold in stores as dextrose) as it's basically pure energy, however since our bodies are designed to consume Glucose and Fructose in equal amounts you'll be literally running on half power. This is also why fructose in any ratio more than 50% is really bad for you as while glucose can back up without any ill effects, fructose actually does have some harmful side effects while hanging out in your bloodstream and it's theorized that's the primary reason why processed food (especially HFCS) is so bad for you.

Well if possible I would like to see some scientific evidence/studies talking specifically about the difference on the body between consuming whole fruits containing their natural sugar and fibre + nutrients, compared to consuming added sugar along with foods containing fibre and nutrients in equivalent amounts

I remember I saw this somewhere around the release of The Martian, because it comes up there that he subsides mostly on vitamine pills + potatoes.

It should be functionally the same, assuming you take in all constituend components in the correct amounts. Because then of course for your stomach/colon, there's absolutely no difference any more.

But as far as replacing specific elements goes and swapping them out for analoguous components... ouff, no clue, can't find the paper any more. For example when you say "added sugar" you probably mean table sugar, right? That's not the same sugar as fruit sugar. Might make a difference, might not, not sure.

As a side note, apparently eating too much fruit of the type that can ferment may act the same as alcohol and fuck up your liver.

Not all sucrose is created equally.