There was already a case with this same fingerprint outcome a few years ago. Biometrics are not protected from seizure.
However, passcodes still are. Last time I checked you cannot be compelled to surrender your passcode locking your phone.
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Which is also why both iPhone and Android have panic/lockdown modes.
For my android, if I rapidly tap the fingerprint reader or the power key five times in a row, it locks down and will only be unlocked with a password. I understand iPhones have this same activation method too. Different Android models might have different activations, so you'd have to check the settings.
You can also just hold the power key and shut the phone down, because it's pretty standard now that upon a reboot you have to put in the pin first before you can use fingerprint.
Which is also why both iPhone and Android have panic modes.
When you are encountering police that would be seizing your phone in the near future, I HIGHLY RECOMMEND AGAINST quickly shoving your hand in your pocket to try to lock your phone.
Never use biometrics to lock anything. You can be forced to push a finger to a sensor, or your head forcibly held still for a facial scan.
Only use passwords/passcords. only they are secure against this totalitarian bullshit.
They'll still put you in jail on fake charges if you refuse to give your passcode, but at least your datas safe and now your case is unlawful imprisonment instead of relying on octogenarian judges thinking its okay to force compliance with a biometric.
Only use passwords/passcords. only they are secure against this totalitarian bullshit.
Oh sweet summer child. Password is as easily beaten out of you as biometric.
This ⬆️
Or that? Come on with this stupid Facebook shit comments.
Turn on pin-secured boot and shut off the phone and a fingerprint should be useless now, right? And don't the cops have a lot people's fingerprints on record? Are we just waiting for a cop with a higher than room temperature IQ to come up with a duplicating method to get in people's phones without warrant or even probable cause?
The initial pin that most folks have to enter is needed to decrypt the partition with user data. This is not 100% foolproof for keeping LEOs out since there are many known, and likely more unknown, ways to brute force these but it is still the best option.
Luckily LineageOS and GrapheneOS have a lockdown mode (Graphene also supports disabling fingerprint for screen unlock), though rebooting your phone usually doesn't cause you to lose any work since everything autosaves as phones kill background apps to save battery and memory. Separate user profiles for situations like protests or certain contexts (preferably with some dummy data to make it not look to sus) are also useful.
It's very unlikely the OS actually kills apps in the background as that would legitimately break many apps and is a source of frustration from other OEMs.
There's a difference between killing an app and putting it into a less active state.
When you swipe an app away from your recent lists, it's not actually killing it, its just putting it in a different state.
When your force stop an app from its info under settings, you're actually killing it. Nothing about it is alive.
When you actually kill an app, things like alarms stop functioning. The app needs to be alive for the alarm to function. Even so much that when you set an alarm on your phone, you need to set the alarm again after rebooting as they arent permanently stored and if the phone is rebooted the app needs to be woken up and the alarms re set. There's a whole development workflow to do that.
There was a brief period many years ago when an OEM actually force killed an app when swiped away from recents without fully understanding the implications and they later reverted the change.
Push notifications of any type would also completely cease functioning.
to lose* any work
What happened to being secure in our documents and personal affects?
Is the constitution a joke to you?
The constitution is only used to protect property rights of the owners and the power of managers. The working class is not often afforded it's protections.
Payne conceded that "the use of biometrics to open an electronic device is akin to providing a physical key to a safe" but argued it is still a testimonial act because it "simultaneously confirm[s] ownership and authentication of its contents," the court said. "However, Payne was never compelled to acknowledge the existence of any incriminating information. He merely had to provide access to a source of potential information."
If you can be compelled to hand over a key to a safe, I can see how that translates to putting your thumb on the scanner.
In this case, the defendant was on parole, so there was already a court order allowing the search of his devices.
US "constitution" sounds honestly like a joke to me
Joke's on them. The fingerprint scanner on my Pixel 7 is so shit it doesn't work even when I want it to.
Pixel 7
Power+volume up, lock down
So when comes the ruling that they can just straight up execute you without having to do the hustle of a fake investigation on themselves?
Just make sure to shutdown lock your phone before dealing with the cops, but also make sure to record your interaction with the cops cause they can and will lie. 🤷♂️
That's always been the craziest thing to me about the US police system. In Finland the police is not legally allowed to lie to you about facts. They can lie about themselves and whatever, but not wholesale invent out of the thin air and gaslight people into believing that they did something.
They can literally lie to you saying they found complete evidence that you committed a crime and that you'll get jail time unless you confess in the interrogation room. And then when you confess, they'll still give you jail time.
Cops in the US have very little oversight.
ACAB
All courts are bastards?
All Canadians are Bipedal
Well that's ablist. :P
This reminded me, sorta unrelated but the ff14 community is incredibly ableist when it comes to gameplay. Don't you dare mention combat macros cause they'll all start screeching at you. Never mind that you have arthritis and carpal tunnel and just want to play without much pain from spamming.
Even the wow community wasn't bad at this, plenty of sites and people willing to help, iirc they even helped a quadriplegic play wow.
The only time I ever saw mention of macros being an issue I ever saw was from super sweaty guilds, where every ounce of performance was needed. During any sane, reasonable play session, I've never seen anyone mention them.
I've encountered it in the wild a bit. Most of the time it's regular people parroting the sweatys but it's still ableist. Even my lovely but terrible gamer girlfriend told me I shouldn't use combat macros and then I lovingly told her she sucks and that some macros could help her. She often forgets to use ogcd spells and I weaved a couple in her regular filler spell. Her dummy damage actually went up. I'm all for doing stuff that help people regardless of the reason.
I don't even think anyone would ever notice in a regular play session. Which makes it weirder they get all aggro about it online.
But Gym Jordan can ignore a congressional subpoena. Chyea I'm not giving my thumbprint.
Power+volume up > lockdown
This is extremely dependent on what phone you're using
I think it's pretty much every modern android, no?
This has been a feature on my last pixel phones as well as my latest Sony android phones
Doesn't seem to do anything on my samsung phone, but maybe that's because I don't have biometrics on
Huh, perhaps Samsung just changed the button combo as they've been known to do? 🤔
Don't use biometrics.
Period.
Full stop.
Biometrics are fine, just use lockdown of you get pulled over or are going throgh TSA.
You can still activate the camera/camcoder by double tapping power on a Pixel even in lockdown.
I love the confidence that a US cop or CBP agent are going to allow you to lock your phone while they're asking you to hand it to them.
Biometrics is not security. Biometrics is ease of access. It's literally designed to make your phone easier to access for you and by extension for a low skilled strong arm attacker or jack booted neo-fascist police state cop or border agent, a high skilled hacker, or a nation state actor. If your intention is to make your device easy to access, congratulations, biometrics is the right choice.
It's not that hard. See the lights on behind you, pull over and lock your phone.