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"We'll wait and see if Trump is elected and pulls out of NATO first."
this post was submitted on 28 Feb 2024
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I suppose it's not too much to ask that everyone just tells Trump that they've done it. He's not like he'll check or anything.
No way, Republicans are too scared of doing anything that might anger him.
In case he poops his pants in rage?
It’s the year 2031. NATO troops surrounded the Cremlin after a weekend of mostly chill driving through the Russian countryside. Picking up defectors here and there.
Russia still threatens with war if they don’t stop.
Everybody laughs. Love is in the air. Good times.
I know you're joking, and I'm sorry to ruin the dream but to be clear nuclear fallout would be in the air and there won't be laughing as several millions would die before that moment.
I really don't like the glorification of war
Question: We've seen sand-filled missiles due to corruption and cronyism, and they were actually transfered to the front line expecting to be live munitions. How many Russian ICBMs do you think are truly functional between the "new" ones and the 70yo cold war hulks?
To be clear, I don't revel in the idea of a war between the Ruskies and NATO, but Putin is certain to be wondering this, too. How effective are his strategic assets, truly? I'm sure the CIA has figured that out and is guiding US response on that intel. They know exactly how far an insecure dictator can be pushed.
It only takes one or two
Yeah and what would that do. Sure a lot of people would die but it won't help Russia win the war. If they shoot their load and they destroyed say two cities, then everyone else will know that's it. Launching the missiles would be literally the last thing that they ever do. Mutually assured destruction not required.
The best way to survive is to constantly threaten but never actually act. Eventually someone will do something about putting oil just die of old age. There isn't really a way there's ends with him being victorious.
Ok so I can finally reply to your question after days of appealing my permanent ban to noncredibledefense for my comment above. (Apparently it was too pro-russia and spreading false information)
Secondly you're right, I don't think anyone knows how many are truly functional, the US and Russia have the best ideas but both of those nations are rightfully very secretive about the true nature of the nukes.
I believe that if US truly believed the russian nuclear arsenal was a zero threat they would have already put troops in Ukraine. That's mostly the reason why my opinion is that Russia has at least one likely operational nuclear device which could cause damage to the European continent.
Secondly risk is calculated by two factors, chance and effect.
As a European myself, the effect of russian nukes on Europe terrifies me because I live in a major city that would be a target if Russia ever went scorched earth. Although the chance is low the effect is high which puts the overall risk above zero which is too much especially with the majority of NATO residing in that continent.
"I know you're joking, and I'm sorry to ruin the dream but to be clear nuclear fallout would be in the air and there won't be laughing as several millions would die before that moment."
"European families, is our life ruined now?"
"As a European myself, the effect of russian nukes on Europe terrifies me"
Sorry, we don't allow Russian fear mongering in NCD.
ono russia has nukes, that's scary, russia has nukes and they might even work, we have to stop all military aid because that would be eScAlaTiOn. have you seen these "new" "secret" documents, they say that sending 32 abrams is nuclear threshold, we are so lucky
i don't care if you are true believer or an useful idiot, if you're repeating hottest vatnik twitter talking points you are in a wrong place
honestly perun should be mandatory watching in this sub. this one in this case. maybe you have noticed that some western weapons sent earlier had a restriction that they couldn't be used in russian 1991 borders. well as it happens F16 and any weapons mounted on them don't have this restriction, which means that countries that sent them don't think any of russian "red lines" around military aid are credible. putin doesn't even want to escalate conventionally as it stands now because it would be unpopular domestically
having some vague nuclear threshold doesn't make your position credible and makes diplomacy harder. nuclear strike in response to a nuclear strike on an ally, that's a clear one. nuclear strike in response to disabling nuclear second strike capability, like C2, in nuclear way or not, this is also a clear one. "existence of a state is threatened" you'd expect this in some kind of total war, and we're nowhere close to it. military aid is not it, screeching at top of your lungs that you'll nuke london after atacms is delivered then doing nothing does not make your position credible. nukes are first of all tools of diplomacy and the right way to use them is in deterrence, this does not make a lot of sense if you want to be taken seriously
Millions will die from the nuclear fallout and billions will starve from the following nuclear winter.
Nuclear war is terrifying
russia doesn't have functional nukes
There's a very good chance of that, but the consequences of being wrong are too high.
That said, there is an I-know-that-they-know-that-I-know game involved. We might not be able to chance Russians nukes working, but Putin has to be wondering if they work, too. If he launches one and it fizzles, the whole world will cheer NATO on while obliterate Putin's regime in a conventional war. Therefore, he has all the more reasons to not launch them preemptively and let the question hang in the air.
Alright NCD, tell me your noncredible plan to beat Russia
Fuck it, *releases Florida-man*
There's a whole lot of Russian infiltration into Floridaman circles these days
As long as we can control the bathsalts supply, Floridaman answers to us
The salts must flow
But the bath salts thing was a one time thing, Floridaman is all about those pills, always has been.
I hear you, we need the CIA to sell Florida more bath salts, no wonder they're getting uppity.
China.
Hear me out: Treaty of Aigun established Vladivostok on what was Chinese land - Yongmingcheng, where the russians built a western city/port for their pacific fleet. And the russian 'east'; there's a fantastic stretch of land that's going to become quite livable due to climate change while china experiences a series of frustrations - inability to separate Taiwan from the west's interference, inability to execute the 9-dash line's ambitions to control the south china sea, and unity in the Australia-Indonesia-Philippines resistance to Chinese influence - why continue to waste resources where there's nothing but resistence?
Look north. Russia doesn't have the best army in the Donbas lol, when supplied the Ukrainians are tearing them to shreds - far more lost there than Afghanistan and Chechnya - mind boggling losses. Will the Russians really be able to stand up to a peer army?
And no one would twitch. Who's going to jump to Russia's aid?
Seems like a win.
Been saying that for months. There's enough of a Han population in Vladivostok for Xi to say it's a "special military operation," protecting native Chinese. It'd be a heck of a political coup for Xi, because he could have an easy military victory, and redirect attention from Taiwan. Also gives them a port outside of the first chain of islands that have cut them off from everything but the East China Sea
yes, those are excellent points!
Someone call Xi and let's make it happen.
Orbital bombardment with anti matter weaponry.
Democracy prevails
➡️ ⬇️ ➡️ ⬇️ ➡️ ⬇️
For Democracy!
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I suggest a slight modification on the Prigozhin plan.
Step 1: Hop on whatever vehicle you can find
Step 2: Casually drive to Moscow
Step 3 (Modified): Do NOT take Putin's bribe.
Step 4: Make sure you don't have to carry too much ammo back
Step 5: We did it!
I'll copy and paste a bit I did in reply to a Russiabot for kicking Russia out of the Ukraine.
We tell Poland “Hulk? Smash.” and they rush across the border and reinforce Ukrainian positions. A US carrier group rolls up and sinks what remains of the Black Sea Fleet before the Admiral can get a second cup of coffee. Marines start landing in Sevastopol and the obligatory McDonalds is setup within 36 hours. F-22s body the Russian air force without even being seen; not because of stealth, but because Russians ain't got radar no more. The Kerch Strait Bridge isn’t just bombed, but completely taken out from end to end. What remains of Russian ground positions west of Mariupol is full of soldiers who hear rumors that NATO POW camps will give you hot food and a warm blanket, and that’s sounding like a damn good deal by the end of the week.
Also cut off Belarus from any Russian support and let the people there do their thing. Bomb the railway connections between Russia and China, add a blockade between Russia and Iran.
And instead of just using McDonald's on the frontline, add some A&Ws and really win some hearts and minds.
Throw in a Five Guys and I'll start this party myself
Hearts and minds? I gotchu
*airdrops Stanley cups*
Hmmm.
Make them extra limited edition and promise the women of Russia even MORE limited runs if they bring us Putin's head.
Day one: Russian air force gets taken out by NATO air strikes.
Day two: remaining heavy weapons are mopped up by NATO air strikes.
Day three to one hundred: Russian meat waves get mowed down by NATO air strikes and artillery.
Day one hundred and one: Putin tries to launch nuclear attack, fails.
Why do they want to declare war on the Seattle Mariners?
As a Mariners fan it's probably because we gave up on Kelenic
Russian foreign policy equals to domestic policy. They always bark outside when they have domestic issues, like people revolting against Putin. It is getting bit jarring to shift blame to NATO, and it is surprising that it works to any Russians.
sir/ma'am this is ncd
I am quite curious if Japan will take back their Kuril Islands in case of war. Russia already pulled their equipment from the islands. I was surprised to find out that Japan and Russia (or better the USSR) never really signed a peace treaty after WWII. So it seems technically they are still at war
Generally speaking wars are assumed to be over when the shooting has stopped and there's been a change of government.