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[–] [email protected] 181 points 8 months ago (2 children)

I hope this is gonna become a new meme template

[–] [email protected] 87 points 8 months ago (1 children)

She looks like she just talked to the waitress about a fake rule in eating nachos and got caught up by her date.

[–] [email protected] 78 points 8 months ago (1 children)

this is incomprehensible to me. can you try it with two or three sentences?

[–] [email protected] 80 points 8 months ago (5 children)

Her date was eating all the fully loaded nachos, so she went up and ask to the waitress to make up a rule about how one person cannot eat all the nacho with meat and cheese. But her date knew that rule was bullshit and called her out about it. She's trying to look confused and sad because they're going to be too soon for the movie.

[–] [email protected] 56 points 8 months ago

What?! What the hell are you talking about?!

[–] [email protected] 50 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Not sure what's funnier. your first comment or the comment explaining it to someone who obviously not part of a turbo team

[–] [email protected] 23 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Turbo team?? Did you replace my toilet with one that looks the same but has a joke hole? That’s just FOR FARTS??

[–] [email protected] 9 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Look until you're part of the turbo team.... WALK SLOWLY

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 8 months ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 13 points 8 months ago

Lmao that's wonderful, scrolling down from those weird ass comments only to be greeted by my own exact facial expression.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 8 months ago (1 children)

thank you. it must be a reference to something, but i don't watch tv any more.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

I think you should leave...

(is what you would search to find this)

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 8 months ago

Chatgpt, you okay? 😅

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[–] [email protected] 128 points 8 months ago (2 children)

They know what they fed the thing. Not backing up their own training data would be insane. They are not insane, just thieves

[–] [email protected] 18 points 8 months ago (20 children)

Everyone says this but the truth is copyright law has been unfit for purpose for well over 30 years now. And the lords were written no one expected something like the internet to ever come along and they certainly didn't expect something like AI. We can't just keep applying the same old copyright laws to new situations when they already don't work.

I'm sure they did illegally obtain the work but is that necessarily a bad thing? For example they're not actually making that content available to anyone so if I pirate a movie and then only I watch it, I don't think anyone would really think I should be arrested for that, so why is it unacceptable for them but fine for me?

[–] [email protected] 22 points 8 months ago (8 children)

if I pirate a movie and then only I watch it, I don't think anyone would really think I should be arrested for that

There are definitely people out there that think you should be arrested for that.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 8 months ago

That is a bad thing if they want to be exempt from the law because they are doing a big, very important thing, and we shouldn't.

The copyright laws are shit, but applying them selectively is orders of magnitude worse.

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[–] [email protected] 95 points 8 months ago (5 children)

Gee, seems like something a CTO would know. I'm sure she's not just lying, right?

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[–] [email protected] 87 points 8 months ago (1 children)

There is no way in hell it isn’t copyrighted material.

[–] [email protected] 62 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

Every video ever created is copyrighted.

The question is — do they need a license? Time will tell. This is obviously going to court.

[–] [email protected] 39 points 8 months ago

Don't downvote this guy. He's mostly right. Creative works have copyright protections from the moment they are created. The relevant question is indeed if they have the relevant permissions for their use, not wether it had protections in the first place.

Maybe some surveillance camera footage is not sufficiently creative to get protections, but that's hardly going to be good for machine reinforcement learning.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 8 months ago

There are definitely non copyrighted videos! Both old videos (all still black and white I think) and also things released into the public domain by copyright holders.

But for sure that's a very small subset of videos.

[–] [email protected] 67 points 8 months ago (2 children)

If I were the reporter my next question would be:

"Do you feel that not knowing the most basic things about your product reflects on your competence as CTO?"

[–] [email protected] 31 points 8 months ago (11 children)

Hilarious, but if the reporter asked this they would find it harder to get invites to events. Which is a problem for journalists. Unless your very well regarded for your journalism, you can't push powerful people without risking your career.

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[–] [email protected] 52 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (6 children)

I almost want to believe they legitimately do not know nor care they‘re committing a gigantic data and labour heist but the truth is they know exactly what they‘re doing and they rub it under our noses.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 8 months ago

Of course they know what they’re doing. Everybody knows this, how could they be the only ones that don’t?

[–] [email protected] 14 points 8 months ago

Yeah, the fact that AI progress just relies on "we will make so much money that no lawsuit will consequently alter our growth" is really infuriating. The fact that general audience apparently doesn't care is even more infuriating.

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[–] [email protected] 46 points 8 months ago (6 children)

This tellls you so much what kind of company OpenAI is

[–] [email protected] 18 points 8 months ago

An Intelligence piracy company?

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[–] [email protected] 44 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Did they intentionally chose a picture where she looks like she's morphing into Elon?

[–] [email protected] 12 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I was thinking mads mikkelssen

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[–] [email protected] 43 points 8 months ago (3 children)

CTO should definitely know this.

[–] [email protected] 47 points 8 months ago

They do know this. They're avoiding any legal exposure by being vague.

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[–] [email protected] 40 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Funny she didn't talked it out with lawyers before that. That's a bad way to answer that.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 8 months ago (4 children)

Or she talked and the lawyers told her to pretend ignorance.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 8 months ago (1 children)

It probably means that they don’t scrape and preprocess training data in house. She knows they get it from a garden variety of underpaid contractors, but she doesn’t know the specific data sources beyond the stipulations of the contract (“publicly available or licensed”), and she probably doesn’t even know that for certain.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 8 months ago

Then wipe it out and start again once you have where your data is coming from sorted out. Are we acting like you having built datacenter pack full of NVIDIA processors just for this sort of retraining? They are choosing to build AI without proper sourcing, that's not an AI limitation.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 8 months ago

REPORTER: Where does your data come from?

CTO: Bitch, are you trying to get me sued?

[–] [email protected] 14 points 8 months ago (24 children)
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[–] [email protected] 13 points 8 months ago (5 children)

This is the best summary I could come up with:


Mira Murati, OpenAI's longtime chief technology officer, sat down with The Wall Street Journal's Joanna Stern this week to discuss Sora, the company's forthcoming video-generating AI.

It's a bad look all around for OpenAI, which has drawn wide controversy — not to mention multiple copyright lawsuits, including one from The New York Times — for its data-scraping practices.

After the interview, Murati reportedly confirmed to the WSJ that Shutterstock videos were indeed included in Sora's training set.

But when you consider the vastness of video content across the web, any clips available to OpenAI through Shutterstock are likely only a small drop in the Sora training data pond.

Others, meanwhile, jumped to Murati's defense, arguing that if you've ever published anything to the internet, you should be perfectly fine with AI companies gobbling it up.

Whether Murati was keeping things close to the vest to avoid more copyright litigation or simply just didn't know the answer, people have good reason to wonder where AI data — be it "publicly available and licensed" or not — is coming from.


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