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As of today, Apple, Alphabet, Meta, Amazon, Microsoft and ByteDance, the six gatekeepers designated by the Commission in September 2023, have to fully comply with all obligations in the Digital Markets Act (DMA).

The DMA aims to make digital markets in the EU more contestable and fairer. It establishes new rules for 10 defined core platform services, such as search engines, online marketplaces, app stores, online advertising and messaging, and gives new rights to European businesses and end-users.

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[–] [email protected] 79 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Amazing and terrifying that EU seems to be the only world government to actually stand up against this late stage capitalism dystopia.

These rules actually makes sense. They actually protect both consumers and other companies around the whole world. And most importantly; they tackle a real world problem head on.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Just happen to be that big tech is located in USA.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 8 months ago

Just happens to be that the US lost citizen's united.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 8 months ago (1 children)

that EU seems to be the only world government to actually stand up against this late stage capitalism dystopia

The EU isn't a government, but I'll allow it for now. :P

[–] [email protected] 8 points 8 months ago (1 children)

It is though. Has a Parliament and like three Presidents. Makes rules that are enforceable across member states (admittedly by proxy mechanisms). It has elections. Even a shared army.

What else does it need to qualify as a government?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Makes rules that are enforceable across member states (admittedly by proxy mechanisms)

Those "proxy mechanisms" make things very different than a typical government. Also not everything that the parliaments says is required to be enforced in member states. A lot of the proposals are recommendations and even the ones that are actually about regulation have to be transposed into member state laws in some way those countries see fit and there's a lot or margin there.

and like three Presidents. (...) It has elections.

There aren't direct elections by the people like in countries, things are a bit more complex: https://elections.europa.eu/en/how-elections-work/

Even a shared army.

No, there isn't. The founding treaties of the EU don't allow for the creation of a European army as the EU is about peaceful economic cooperation and and also a bunch of other reasons.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

There aren’t direct elections by the people like in countries, things are a bit more complex

It's as complex as most elections in countries that have territory based representation. My local elections are actually more complex than the EU elections. Also for that matter, if I move across the EU to a different country, I have immediate voting rights in municipal elections.

Also not everything that the parliaments says is required to be enforced in member states.

Only regulations. The EU has the power to override national legislatures if it so wishes, and it uses that power regularly, like with the GDPR. The point is it isn't up to the member states to decide what to enforce, the EU decides where it leaves leeway and where it doesn't. In some aspects, that ties member states together tighter than US states, as the US federal govt can't regulate some matters even if it wants without amending the constitution IIRC.

The founding treaties of the EU don’t allow for the creation of a European army

You got me there, the EU does not have a standing shared army, but there is nothing prohibiting it either IIRC. There are EU Battlegroups that can be called up in days which are then under joint EU command, and many member states share military resources. Stuff is trending towards a shared army as well, with the recent merging of Dutch and German armies for example. There is a joint defence and security policy as well, and forces under joint EU command have undertaken dozens of missions across the world.

[–] [email protected] 48 points 8 months ago (1 children)

In case of an infringement, the Commission can impose fines of up to 10% of the company's total worldwide turnover, which can go up to 20% in case of repeated infringement.

Okay, this good! It seams like they've created a (very good) law and also a way to enforce it

[–] [email protected] 12 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

It then goes up to "structural remedies" if there are continuous issues, meaning forced divestments, in plain English breaking them up.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago (3 children)
[–] [email protected] 17 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Well they do some things right but you know they are also pretty dystopian as well, trying to ban encryption so they can have total surveillance over their citizens like china and what not. Just as bad as the usa in that regard!

Sorta gross.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 months ago (1 children)

trying to ban encryption so they can have total surveillance over their citizens

On the contrary, they are the first to enshrine it as a basic human right. Chat control got shut down so hard not even the EU legislature can pick it up again easily.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Yes I'm glad chat control was stopped, but it just goes to show there are wannabe authoritarians in everyone's government.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

There are wannabe authoritarians everywhere, one of the functions of government is to stop them. Which kinda sorta works in the EU if you don't look too far east.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 8 months ago

Even if something like this passed the majority of EU governments wouldn't adopt it. Like the EU copyright directive, only about 4 countries adopted it. The EU is a trade alliance, not a federal government, it doesn't have the authority override local law unrelated to EU wide trade.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago

And even their recent ideas of putting PhotoDNA and other encryption mitigating stuff everywhere?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

When someone literally named [email protected] praises the EU…

Brb, gonna go ice skating in Hell!

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (2 children)

I’ve seen a few lemmygrad users that aren’t tankies, but by far the majority are extremely opposed to the EU, NATO, etc. Nothing against you personally, just thought it was funny.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 8 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Thank you for being honest and not flaming, I can certainly appreciate that perspective. I must be jaded from seeing people equate the EU and NATO so often.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I am very chill. Admittedly, I haven't seen the behaviour you describe, but I am aware of the anti-EU views some have. I am extremely pro EU and wish for it to eventually expand into a pan AfroEuroAsian union, but even with just EU expansion, or even without expansion, they desperately need to address the current voting system within the EU as an organization, AND they desperately need to give vote to Europeans. I appreciate many things they do, but I frequently feel like they'd benefit from having europeans voting on certain issues.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

See, I can get behind this 100%! Real, actual egalitarian society, and not constant isolationist/factionalist/nationalistic bickering.