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Jensen Huang says kids shouldn't learn to code — they should leave it up to AI.::At the recent World Government Summit in Dubai, Nvidia CEO Jensen Huang made a counterintuitive break with tech leader wisdom by saying that programming is no longer a vital skill due to the AI revolution.

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[–] [email protected] 172 points 8 months ago (23 children)

Producer of calculators says kids don't need to learn maths, they just need a calculator

[–] [email protected] 12 points 8 months ago (4 children)

I mean, we aren't exactly teaching kids how to hand calculate trig anymore. Sin, Cos, and Tan operations are pretty much exclusively done with a calculator and you'd be hard pressed to find anyone who graduated in the last 25 years who knows any other way to do it.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 8 months ago

For a younger age range you might be right, but in general that's not true; the approximation via a Fourier series is definitely something we teach kids. We don't generally expect people to be able to actually calculate it at the speed of a calculator, sure, but at least it's tested whether they can derive the expansion.

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[–] [email protected] 64 points 8 months ago (4 children)

So the Nvidia drivers will be 100% written by AI then?

[–] [email protected] 30 points 8 months ago

Might make them more stable

[–] [email protected] 14 points 8 months ago
[–] [email protected] 13 points 8 months ago

Does that mean they can't be copyright anymore? I'll take it.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 8 months ago

Well, he's put the writing on the wall for his own developers. So, even if it isn't AI that writes them, the quality may well go down when those that can easily do so, leave for pastures new :P

[–] [email protected] 58 points 8 months ago (1 children)

This is a good case study of how self interest blinds simple logic.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 8 months ago (1 children)

it's a marketing stunt not a logic-related problem

[–] [email protected] 11 points 8 months ago

Why not both?

[–] [email protected] 48 points 8 months ago

Yes, yes, keep my labour in high demand and my salary high

[–] [email protected] 47 points 8 months ago (2 children)
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[–] [email protected] 43 points 8 months ago (2 children)

I thought coding skill is mostly about logical thinking, problem solving, and idea implementation instead of merely writing code?

Even then, who's gonna code to improve the AI in a meaningful way if everyone not learning to code? What if AI write their own update badly and no one correct it, and then the badly written AI write an even worst version of it? I think in biology we called that cancer.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Coding, like writing scientific papers, or novels, is only about randomly generating strings, silly human.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Coding, like writing scientific papers, or novels, is only about randomly generating strings

See also, litigation, medical diagnoses, creating art that evokes an emotional reaction in its audience, etc.

It turns out that virtually all human advancement and achievement comes down to simply figuring out what the next most likely token is based on what's already been written.

(/j incase it's not obvious)

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 8 months ago

Even if AI were able to be trusted, you still need to know the material to know what you're even asking the AI for.

It's a ruler to guide the pencil, not the pencil drawing a straight line itself, you still have to know how to draw to be able to use it in a way that fits what you want to do.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 8 months ago (6 children)

I asked ChatGPT to show me how to do some Godot4.2 C# stuff the other day as I transition from Unity, it was 70% incorrect.

Good times. (It was probably right for an older version, but I told it the actual version)

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 8 months ago (1 children)

My God the stupidity goes to the top!

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Shut up Jensen, and fuck your jacket.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 8 months ago

If Nvidia driver quality goes down in the next couple years, we know why.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 8 months ago (3 children)

And I say I don't even know this person and he should just stfu and leave those kids alone.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 8 months ago

You still need the fundamentals. You still need to understand problem solving and debugging.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 8 months ago (1 children)

And who will code the code for ML/AI models ? I mean for Jr. Developers this is going to be a better way to learn than "did you Google it? " And maybe have precise answers to your questions. But it sounds more to me like "maybe you should buy more of our silicon".

Sounds a bit like "640kb is more than enough" oneliner. But let's see what it will bring.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 8 months ago

But it sounds more to me like “maybe you should buy more of our silicon”.

gotta drum up that infinite demand to meet and grow their insane valuation bubble when they already can't even produce enough to fill all orders.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 8 months ago

"I have a foreboding of an America in my children's or grandchildren's time...when awesome technological powers are in the hands of a very few, and no one representing the public interest can even grasp the issues; when the people have lost the ability to set their own agendas or knowledgeably question those in authority; when, clutching our crystals and nervously consulting our horoscopes, our critical faculties in decline, unable to distinguish between what feels good and what's true, we slide, almost without noticing, back into superstition and darkness..."

Carl Sagan, Astrologist/Horposcopist from ancient times.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

While large language models are impressive they seem to still lack the ability to actually reason which is quite important for programmer. Another thing they lack is human like intuition that allows us to seek solutions to problems with limited knowledge or without any existing solutions.

With the boom bringing a lot more money and attention to A.I the reasoning abilities will probably improve but until it's good enough we'll need people who can actually understand code. Once it's good enough then we don't really need people like Jensen Huang since robots can do whatever he does but better.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 8 months ago

GPT4 (the preview) still produces code where it adds variables that it never uses anywhere... and when I asked one time about one variable, it was like, "Oh, you're right, let me re-write the code to put variable X into use", then just added it in a nonsensical location to serve a nonsensical purpose.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Yeah, tell kids not to learn how to code so that way they can't understand what your products actually do so you can claim plausible deniability to them that they aren't sucking up all your data like a hoover.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 8 months ago

Bullshit. Even if AI were to fully replace is software developers (which I highly doubt), programming is still a very useful skill to learn just for the problem solving skills.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 8 months ago (4 children)

Kids shouldn't learn to read. They should stick to audio books.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 8 months ago

[Jeff Bezos likes this]

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Kids should focus on the one thing AI can't do: Stand-up comedy.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Do you want Warhammer 40k? Because this is how you get Warhammer 40k.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Don't forget Dune! Frank Herbert invented the no-code dystopia, courtesy of the Butlerian Jihad™

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 8 months ago (2 children)

I know some Gen Z recent grads who use chatgpt to write their code.

back in my day, we had to write our code ourselves....

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