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LMDE 6 has been officially released. The big deal about this is that it's based on the recently released Debian 12 and also that being based on Debian LMDE is 100% community based.

If you've been disappointed by what the Linux corporations have been doing lately or don't like the all-snap future that Ubuntu has opened, then this is the distro for you.

I'm running it as my daily driver and it works exactly like the regular Mint so you don't lose anything. Clem and team have done a great job, even newbies could use Debian now.

Personally I think LMDE is the future of Linux as Ubuntu goes it's own way, and this is a good thing for Mint and the Linux community. Let's get back to community distros and move away from the corps.

EDIT: LMDE is 64bit only. There is no 32bit option.

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[–] [email protected] 81 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I've never had a use for Linux Mint myself, but I'm still happy to see them cut out the middle man and base it directly off of Debian. Hopefully being closer to the source will result in even more upstream contributions.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

Oh, no. They consider Ubuntu the best APT base out there, and even after some trouble with Canonical, they insist on basing Mint on Ubuntu. This is a plan B, it came precisely after the differences between Mint and Ubuntu were public, but I can't find any source of that episode between Canonical and Clemente Lefebvre.

EDIT: Found one.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Big thing about being based on Ubuntu is that the community support is the biggest. Any issue you find, you can google, and there's a 99% chance there'll be an answer for Ubuntu which can be applied as-is to Mint.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

True, but it's not like Ubuntu is this unique distribution with very peculiar software. Most of the time, no matter which distro I use, the best reference to solve any problem is the Arch wiki.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Ah, my bad. I thought LM was going all in on Debian. Well, I'm glad they're at least providing the option then.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago

They want to be able to provide the option should Ubuntu go off the reservation

[–] [email protected] 29 points 9 months ago (4 children)

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The cautious approach for LMDE5 users: If your system is working fine and there are no especially must-have features in LMDE6, there is almost certainly no rush to upgrade. Take your time.

Make backups. Test backups. Play games. Work. Do things entirely unrelated to the distro.

You could even almost (aaalmost) completely forget about LMDE6 (but do keep an eye on the LM blog).

The Mint team haven't announced an EOL date for LMDE5 yet, but if past dates are anything to go by, it'll be at least 18 months before they pull the plug. Even then, LTS updates might still filter through from Debian proper.

[How many people will actually see this message and how many it actually applies to out of them might well include me and literally one other guy somewhere else on the planet, but if you're that one guy, breathe friend. No rush.]

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Been using mint for a while on my main machine and I'm not keen on doing a reinstall, but the next time I do I'll definitely be looking at Debian edition.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 9 months ago (3 children)

If you don't have Nvidia gpu, then LMDE is better. It is slightly snappier and boots slightly faster.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 9 months ago (4 children)

Oh dang. It sucks to hear that my 10 year old GPU is still poorly supported.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago

I have a very old Nvidia GPU and am on LMDE5. The official legacy driver works fine for me. Can't speak for the open-source one.

Going to assume that LMDE6 will be similar when I get around to upgrading.

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 9 months ago (6 children)

Oh boy, here I go distro-hopping again.
Just kidding - you can pry Slackware from my cold, dead hands.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago

Challenge accepted

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (3 children)

It's more stable than Debian and more simple in design than Arch.
It basically doesn't do anything, except run your hardware and software, and that's all an OS should do.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 9 months ago (2 children)

More stable than debian sounds terrifying

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 9 months ago

Very excited to see this. After having been through the last few Ubuntu versions, they have made some very frustrating decisions that have made the system management side a real pain.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Can anyone tell me if the Debian Testing branch has been stable? I like Debian, and I like rolling release to be more up to date, so I was considering swapping from Fedora.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Either use Stable or Unstable. Testing is actually the most unstable of the three branches, due to how Debian works:

Updated packages are first introduced into Experimental, then into Unstable when they actually build and run. So Unstable is equivalent to Arch's main branch.
Then they automatically enter Testing after a few weeks without anyone reporting a critical bug.

What this means: Testing is the only branch where the decision over what enters isn't made by a human.

If someone notices critical bugs in Testing, the packages may be kicked out of Testing again until the bugs are fixed. So Testing is the only branch where packages can simply disappear when you run an update.

It's also the most insecure branch: When a vulnerability is discovered, the packages in Stable are patched to close it. The packages in Unstable are updated to a new version that closes it. In Testing, the vulnerability stays until the new version eventually migrates down the line again after spending a while in Unstable.

I've run Unstable for years. IMO it's a great rolling release distro with horrible branding.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago (4 children)

Thanks for the info! I know what you mean that unstable is similar to Arch, but I know Arch has like a 3 day period or something like that before it hits the default "stable" repo. Is Unstable similar to that, or do they just raw dog it?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago

I've only been running Debian testing for a few weeks (hopped from Ubuntu dev), but I believe testing also has a 2 to 10 day period before pulling packages from unstable. Like after 10 days in unstable with no issues it automatically gets moved into testing, with more important updates getting a human moving it earlier.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 9 months ago (2 children)

So I’m showi my my extreme age but I remember when Mint was born as a sort of windows-like Ubuntu for easy migration. Has it carved out a reason for existing for folks that don’t want a windows like experience?

[–] [email protected] 22 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Their interface is familiar to Windows users but so is KDE and many things that aren’t GNOME. Primarily it is the flagship distro for Cinnamon, they put a lot of work into making the user experience seamless and their implementation of Cinnamon especially is much better than other distros that ship it as an option. They also co-founded MATE when GNOME 3 came out and have supported that forever.

Main thing for me is extremely sane defaults, just enough automation to simplify some things without it getting in the way, just enough customization without it being overwhelming or an eyesore (I hate KDE context menus). It’s been very good for getting out of the way so I can focus, I appreciate that it doesn’t have a ton of flying, shiny objects all over the place but still looks good, and I don’t have to add a ton of extensions to get it the way I like.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago

This. Mint is the only distro I've found where I've truly never needed the CLI if I didn't feel like using it.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 9 months ago (1 children)

It’s just a generally solid, stable, and easy to use distro. I use EndeavourOS nowadays, but when I was first getting started Mint was what I always returned to after spats of distro hopping. As far as it’s primary DE, Cinnamon, it’s less “windows like” and more “not gnome like”. Every DE that isn’t gnome could be called “windows like” in my experience.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 9 months ago (1 children)

More like Cinnamon being GNOME 2.5

Since GNOME 3 changed everything for better or worse.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago

Mostly worse.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I wonder if they'll ever ditch Ubuntu and release a version based on Debian Sid.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago

Not Sid, but that's exactly that Mint LMDE is. Rather than being built on top of Ubuntu, it's built on top of Debian

[–] [email protected] 8 points 9 months ago

I just installed it in a VM to check it out, as I'm not a Cinnamon guy usually, and I really like it! I need to try it out on metal and see how it handles games, but so far I'm really happy.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Would this be analogous to Endeavor OS for Arch?

[–] [email protected] 12 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Yes. The Mint team have done all the work that you normally would have to with Debian, to give you a nice stable, fast and full featured desktop system.

Plus they keep Cinnamon up to date over the years. Even though the Debian base will remain the same (apart from any security patches/important updates) you'll always have the latest Cinnamon desktop and utilities from Mint like Timeshift, Warpinator etc

Btw Warpinator works like Airdrop. Install the app on your Android, pair to LMDE and you can easily send and receive files and photos between phone and desktop.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 9 months ago

I would say Mint adds more to Debian than EndeavourOS adds to Arch.

For one thing, Mint has its own DE ( Cinnamon ). You can install this on other distros but it was made for Mint and it is the DE experience out-of-the-box on LMDE.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago (1 children)

and also that being based on Debian LMDE is 100% community based.

At first I read it as "completely based" and wondered whether LMDE is also red pilled.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago (5 children)
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[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago

I'm excited to give it a try.

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