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[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 days ago

I check if a user agent has gptbot, and if it does I 302 it to web.sp.am.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 6 days ago (1 children)

When I was a kid I thought computers would be useful.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 6 days ago

They are. Its important to remember that in a capitalist society what is useful and efficient is not the same as profitable.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 days ago

I'm pretty sure no one knows my blog and wiki exist, but it sure is popular, getting multiple hits per second 24/7 in a tangle of wiki articles I autogenerated to tell me trivia like whether the Great Fire of London started on a Sunday or Thursday.

[–] [email protected] 425 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Funny that they’re calling them AI haters when they’re specifically poisoning AI that ignores the do not enter sign. FAFO.

[–] [email protected] 49 points 1 week ago (1 children)

First Albatross, First Out

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 week ago

Fluffy Animal's Fecal Orifice.

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[–] [email protected] 264 points 1 week ago

AI is the "most aggressive" example of "technologies that are not done 'for us' but 'to us.'"

Well said.

[–] [email protected] 203 points 1 week ago (6 children)

Deployment of Nepenthes and also Anubis (both described as "the nuclear option") are not hate. It's self-defense against pure selfish evil, projects are being sucked dry and some like ScummVM could only freakin' survive thanks to these tools.

Those AI companies and data scrapers/broker companies shall perish, and whoever wrote this headline at arstechnica shall step on Lego each morning for the next 6 months.

[–] [email protected] 51 points 1 week ago

Feels good to be on an instance with Anubis

[–] [email protected] 42 points 1 week ago

one of the united Nations websites deployed Anubis

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Do you have a link to a story of what happened to ScummVM? I love that project and I’d be really upset if it was lost!

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[–] [email protected] 154 points 1 week ago (15 children)

It's so sad we're burning coal and oil to generate heat and electricity for dumb shit like this.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Wait till you realize this project's purpose IS to force AI to waste even more resources.

[–] [email protected] 90 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I mean, the long term goal would be to discourage ai companies from engaging in this behavior by making it useless

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[–] [email protected] 98 points 1 week ago (8 children)

This might explain why newer AI models are going nuts. Good jorb 👍

[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 week ago

It absolutely doesn’t. The only model that has “gone nuts” is Grok, and that’s because of malicious code pushed specifically for the purpose of spreading propaganda.

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[–] [email protected] 84 points 1 week ago (2 children)
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[–] [email protected] 77 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I’m so happy to see that ai poison is a thing

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[–] [email protected] 75 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Nice ..... I look forward to the next generation of AI counter counter measures that will make the internet an even more unbearable mess in order to funnel as much money and control to a small set of idiots that think they can become masters of the universe and own every single penny on the planet.

[–] [email protected] 46 points 1 week ago (30 children)

All the while as we roast to death because all of this will take more resources than the entire energy output of a medium sized country.

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[–] [email protected] 61 points 1 week ago (7 children)

I suppose this will become an arms race, just like with ad-blockers and ad-blocker detection/circumvention measures.
There will be solutions for scraper-blockers/traps. Then those become more sophisticated. Then the scrapers become better again and so on.

I don't really see an end to this madness. Such a huge waste of resources.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 week ago

there is an end: you legislate it out of existence. unfortunately the US politicians instead are trying to outlaw any regulations regarding AI instead. I'm sure it's not about the money.

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[–] [email protected] 50 points 1 week ago (10 children)

Could you imagine a world where word of mouth became the norm again? Your friends would tell you about websites, and those sites would never show on search results because crawlers get stuck.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 week ago (1 children)

No they wouldn't. I'm guessing you're not old enough to remember a time before search engines. The public web dies without crawling. Corporations will own it all you'll never hear about anything other than amazon or Walmart dot com again.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Nope. That isn't how it worked. You joined message boards that had lists of web links. There were still search engines, but they were pretty localized. Google was also amazing when their slogan was "don't be evil" and they meant it.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I was there. People carried physical notepads with URLs, shared them on BBS', or other forums. It was wild.

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[–] [email protected] 47 points 1 week ago (4 children)

This is surely trivial to detect. If the number of pages on the site is greater than some insanely high number then just drop all data from that site from the training data.

It's not like I can afford to compete with OpenAI on bandwidth, and they're burning through money with no cares already.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Yeah sure, but when do you stop gathering regularly constructed data, when your goal is to grab as much as possible?

Markov chains are an amazingly simple way to generate data like this, and a little bit of stacked logic it's going to be indistinguishable from real large data sets.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Imagine the staff meeting:

You: we didn't gather any data because it was poisoned

Corposhill: we collected 120TB only from harry-potter-fantasy-club.il !!

Boss: hmm who am I going to keep...

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[–] [email protected] 46 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 38 points 1 week ago (1 children)

"Markov Babble" would make a great band name

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Some details. One of the major players doing the tar pit strategy is Cloudflare. They're a giant in networking and infrastructure, and they use AI (more traditional, nit LLMs) ubiquitously to detect bots. So it is an arms race, but one where both sides have massive incentives.

Making nonsense is indeed detectable, but that misunderstands the purpose: economics. Scraping bots are used because they're a cheap way to get training data. If you make a non zero portion of training data poisonous you'd have to spend increasingly many resources to filter it out. The better the nonsense, the harder to detect. Cloudflare is known it use small LLMs to generate the nonsense, hence requiring systems at least that complex to differentiate it.

So in short the tar pit with garbage data actually decreases the average value of scraped data for bots that ignore do not scrape instructions.

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 week ago

Such a stupid title, great software!

[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 week ago

Wait… I just had an idea.

Make a tarpit out of subtly-reprocessed copies of classified material from Wikileaks. (And don’t host it in the US.)

[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 week ago (13 children)

Why are the photos all ugly biological things

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 week ago (11 children)

Btw, how about limiting clicks per second/minute, against distributed scraping? A user who clicks more than 3 links per second is not a person. Neither, if they do 50 in a minute. And if they are then blocked and switch to the next, it's still limited in bandwith they can occupy.

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