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[–] [email protected] 84 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

The nazi loved the "nothing to hide". What better than all your information, like religion, nicely written down in official records if you want to suddenly round up one specific group of people. Or DEI wanting to deport a certain group, and DOGE doing their best to suck up all information on everybody. You may have nothing to fear right now, but you never know who's going to be in office soon.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 weeks ago

You may have nothing to fear right now, but you never know who’s going to be in office soon.

The way I always explain it to people - take any additional government power or access to information you either don't care about or actively support. Now imagine whoever you oppose/hate the most taking office and trying to use that against your interests. Are you still OK with them having that power? Same principle applies regardless of what power or who's pushing for it.

It's like due process - you don't want any category of alleged violation not to be subject to due process, and if you don't understand why then it's time to wrongfully accuse you of doing that so you understand the problem.

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[–] [email protected] 60 points 3 weeks ago

"The early Internet’s dissociative opportunities actually encouraged me and those of my generation to change our most deeply held opinions, instead of just digging in and defending them when challenged. This ability to reinvent ourselves meant that we never had to close our minds by picking sides, or close ranks out of fear of doing irreparable harm to our reputations. Mistakes that were swiftly punished but swiftly rectified allowed both the community and the “offender” to move on. To me, and to many, this felt like freedom." ~ Permanent Record, Snowden.

[–] [email protected] 59 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (5 children)
[–] [email protected] 17 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

Lol i really cringed at that phrasing about "good people doing bad things". Theyre literally fascists doing fascism to advance their interests, it really doesn't matter if they are vegan and have dogs.

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[–] [email protected] 47 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

If you really got nothing to hide then why do you close the door when you use the public toilet?

[–] [email protected] 27 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

If you got nothing to hide why are you wearing pants bro?

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 weeks ago

pooping stage fright

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[–] [email protected] 41 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 26 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Yeah famously no nazis were ever nice to their friends and families ("good people") while doing bad things for what they thought were good reasons. Like... Snowden, bro, what the fuck are you talking about

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Snowden is a brave guy in some ways, but even in spite of his leaks, he's remained a naive US-supremacist libertarian, who evangangelizes tech over political action, defends the OTF, silicon valley, and US-DoD funded crypto tools and privacy apps.

The lesson of 2013 is not that the NSA is evil. It’s that the path is dangerous. The network path is something that we need to help users get across safely. Our job as technologists, our job as engineers, our job as anybody who cares about the internet in any way, who has any kind of personal or commercial involvement is literally to armor the user, to protect the user and to make it that they can get from one end of the path to the other safely without interference,” he told an auditorium filled with the world’s foremost computer and network engineers at a 2015 meeting of the Internet Engineering Task Force in Prague. He reaffirmed his view a year later at Fusion’s 2016 Real Future Fair in Oakland, California. “If you want to build a better future, you’re going to have to do it yourself. Politics will take us only so far and if history is any guide, they are the least reliable means of achieving the effective change.… They’re not gonna jump up and protect your rights,” he said. “Technology works differently than law. Technology knows no jurisdiction.”

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

My response to this is usually "Do you have curtains?"

Very late edit: I have found it very effective. It causes pause for thought because everyone values privacy, they just find it hard to picture themselves needing it. Curtains.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 weeks ago

My response is similar, usually the good old 'Do you shut the door when you shit?'.

When we start getting specific, I'll often try and frame data harvesting in a much more visceral way. If they say they don't care that xyz keeps track of everyone they talk to, I ask them to imagine an actual person standing behind them, making notes on a clipboard about every interaction they have with someone, and how that would make them feel.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 3 weeks ago

One of the things I warn people about privacy is that it's not about what they might find, it's about what they might pretend to find.

Plenty of dirty cops plant evidence. Who's to say they don't like someone and keep a flash drive full of Cheese Pizza to plant on their computer. Usually that kind of logic gets people on board more easily.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Goebbels certainly didn't believe in the right to privacy but there is nothing connecting him to the "if you have nothing to hide..." quote. He certainly wasn't the first to come up with it, as it can be found in a 1917 piece by Upton Sinclair.

It seems like Goebbels' connection to the quote is one of these "it feels so true that it has to be true" misattributions that floats around on the internet and in popular culture.

And by the way, the NSA are Nazis, they are bad people doing bad things for evil reasons.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 weeks ago

Snowden doesn't even think the NSA is evil:

The lesson of 2013 is not that the NSA is evil. It’s that the path is dangerous. The network path is something that we need to help users get across safely. Our job as technologists, our job as engineers, our job as anybody who cares about the internet in any way, who has any kind of personal or commercial involvement is literally to armor the user, to protect the user and to make it that they can get from one end of the path to the other safely without interference,” he told an auditorium filled with the world’s foremost computer and network engineers at a 2015 meeting of the Internet Engineering Task Force in Prague.

He reaffirmed his view a year later at Fusion’s 2016 Real Future Fair in Oakland, California. “If you want to build a better future, you’re going to have to do it yourself. Politics will take us only so far and if history is any guide, they are the least reliable means of achieving the effective change.… They’re not gonna jump up and protect your rights,” he said. “Technology works differently than law. Technology knows no jurisdiction.”

[–] [email protected] 29 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

He misattributes that quote

https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/1558

You will find the quote in this book that predates Nazi Germany

Not merely was my own mail opened, but the mail of all my relatives and friends—people residing in places as far apart as California and Florida. I recall the bland smile of a government official to whom I complained about this matter: "If you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear."

[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

So the quote was about the American secret service?

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I really hope that, within my lifetime, the CIA, FBI and any other state spy apparatus will be correctly seen as the evil, irredeemable orgs they are.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 weeks ago

Capitalism's Invisible Army often acts as the propaganda arm of the US hegemony, so it is in a very real sense a part of their job to make sure this doesn't come to pass. Sadly they seem pretty good at it.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 3 weeks ago

Here’s a scientific dissertation on how and why that phrase sucks: https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=998565

It’s so easy to use but very hard to fights against. Worst case of bullshit.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 3 weeks ago
[–] [email protected] 18 points 3 weeks ago

Feels like out of all the amendements, the 4th is the most violated one in US history.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 weeks ago

I also have plenty to hide (crimes)

[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

Weird how Edward Snowden is basically a Boddhisatwa and Julian Assange

[–] [email protected] 17 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Weird how Edward Snowden is basically a Boddhisatwa and Julian Assange

Defining someone a Bodhisattva is complex. Snowden & Assange acted with potential benefit & harm. True Bodhisattvas act from pure compassion & wisdom, embodying equanimity. Their actions offer reflection on truth & consequences.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 weeks ago (6 children)
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[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Could you explain what you mean by that please?

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

We desperately need a constitutional right to privacy, but I doubt that will happen in my or our country's lifetime.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 weeks ago

The answer to that Reddit post is to delete your account on Reddit.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Let me check your Attic why not, you're not hiding any jews are you?

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

What did she say after Snowden dropped that bomb?

[–] [email protected] 17 points 3 weeks ago

We'll be right back after these messages

[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

I'm gonna guess a whole lot of flustered backpedaling amounting to not a lot of anything, but I'm willing to be surprised if someone wants to dig up the video.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I don't think this image shows her being in a position to backpedal from. I see her providing him with a platform to counter some points that were made elsewhere; she has not necessarily taken a position one way or the other.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Just because an interviewer brings up a point doesn't mean they agree with it.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 weeks ago

Fuck me, the last part hit me HARD. I won't get into the details why because it is painful for me to talk about it.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 3 weeks ago (12 children)

Still stupid as fuck to compare the Stasi to the Nazis.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 weeks ago

This is your brain on liberalism

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 weeks ago

I have "nothing to hide" but I STILL like privacy tyvm. Hence I'll shit in public with the stall door closed, and not disclose my wank schedule on Facebook

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