*In an opinion poll
I mean lets not confuse an opinion poll with the truth. These things regularly get things a couple points off. In fact thatโs the norm.
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AfD is using fascist manipulation using propaganda (always putting immigrants and immigrant attacks in the spotlight) to gain power and discriminate immigrants even more, causing more retaliation which in turn makes people give the AfD even more power.
In a tolerant society we should not be tolerant of such intolerance.
And stil the state refuses to ban them, refuses to arrest and sentence their leaders.
It will be Weimar 2.0 with liberals being either too incompetent or too unwilling to stop fascism.
Fascism is not stopped at the podium or in parliament. It is stopped with bullets and bombs. The longer you wait the more bullets and bombs it will take and the more lives it will cost. We need a new, this time thorough, denazification.
But starting and organizing a violent opposition seem like so much effort. And I really have to finish some shows I've been watching.
Someone explain, are these the Nazis?
It is the party all the fascists vote on.
Should tell you enough.
they are the neo-Nazis
Fuck
Anything from national conservatives to common reactionaries, Vรถlkische and neo-nazis and neo-fascists.
Germany should have actually denazified instead of the joke they did. Also should have reunited the two germanys instead of what happened which was basically a west German conquest of east Germany contributing greatly to its impoverershment.
Honest question, what was wrong with the denazification that was carried out? Did they have any historical example to compare to?
Think about it like this: What do you do if everyone is at least complicit? While the soviets excluded the old elites from their new regime, the west focused more on reintegrating them. That being said, both sides were willing to turn a blind eye if you where qualified enough and needed for the continued function of society.
So for example the head of the neurological society was a doctor who experimented on brains of executed prisoners and children. And unfortunately this was the rule, not the exception.
The fact that it didn't happen? That a lot of the very few who got actual sentences (less than those who worked just at Auschwitz)were pardoned before their time was up. That all levels of the post war German government was filled with nazi party members. That it was quickly abandoned even in the limited and performative form it existed it to unite to fight "the communist threat". I don't need a historical example of a successful de radicalization in order to say this one didn't happen and its a myth it did.
Jeah wondering the same, like Germany was already doing a lot more compared to other countries with previous facist governments
Is the proper response: Well shit.
This is why I keep telling people we are fucked by focusing in increasing military power in europe even if it appears and is obviously needed. We are going to put all the power at the hands of insane lunatics ready to wage war and put people in ovens.
It's happening in all countries in Europe. I think in mine we'll have elections next month or something like that and the extreme right is at 2nd or 3rd position ready to take first or will join hands with another to win. It was so close already last time. No matter how many crimes all their members do and show up in the news every week.
It's what the people want. Most people everywhere are ok and want homicidal narcissist and sociopathic people in charge of them.
Best of luck to you and your country staying sane-ish a little longer.
These polls don't matter much. Next major election in Germany is in 2029.I'd argue these assholes didn't win the battle just yet. Anti lobby work, Investments in military power, education and quality of life for people are just some of the things to convince more people. Four years is plenty.
If the government doesn't fall like it does here regularly ๐ฎโ๐จ
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Plus two percent, a difference of one percent to second place and an error margin of two point five percent. Congrats.
Besides that, I really start to hate these reports. Weekly updates on the Sonntagsfrage are utterly lacking substance, fearmongering (to left leaning people) and reassurance (to AfD voters). Everything we do not need.
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In phone polls 4 years before the next election...
Dont get me wrong, this sucks, but its not what the germans actually voted for.
But they already performed very well in the last election.
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Many of those aren't real votes but "protest" support. Very dumb imo. They're hoping its a wakeup to the other parties but it really just emboldens the afd.
Please look at the US and what's happening here right now.
A significant portion of Trump's voters in 2016 were protest anti-establishment voters and they've been converted into full on Fascist voters in the 8 years since then.
Nah I don't buy it. Nazis voting for nazis know what they are doing. AfDs plan is clear, like project 2025 was and their voters like what they see and should be treated and handled accordingly.
Okay well in German and I know some of these idiots. It's true. Of course some are literally Nazis. You see the same thing in the US as well. Don't take my reply as defending these people.
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Take care of the nazi problem before they take care of you. You already know how that works. Stop allowing them to broadcast nazi propaganda as if it was news.
For whatโs worth it doesnโt actually matter what potential voters would vote for each and every week when the next election is almost 4 years away. If anything, bold headlines like these only act as a self fulfilling prophecy and are blatant populism. Even a good government canโt be super popular every single week and the sooner people realize that, the better for democracy. Though I wonโt hold my breath.
Everybody in Germany. Please talk to family members that you don't talk to about how this is dangerous to you. I know I have these in my family that I should invest in instead of always talking to the closest ones. Also make sure to beat them with genuine questions that break open their confidence in the reasoning with the socratic way (epistemology)
- What? Belief.
- Why? Reason
- How? Method for Proof
Or
- Identify Persuasion
- Question "What is it actually", definition --In between ask for scale 1-10 how confident into the topic are you and importance queries
- Why do you believe that?
- How could one determine whether this is really true? --In between the scale and importance queries
- Best argument for and strongest argument against?
- Reflect, i.e. repeat what has been said in your own words eighthly
It's not about being well versed in the topic of conversation But good questions
Totally. Good one is showing genuinely curiosity on AfD solutions problems we face. Believe me I met some who could only name Migration when I asked, for example, about AfD solution for tenant issues and tenant protections.
As we have relatives in the USA a good one is also Trump and the republican regime. Talking Elon Musk endorsement of the AfD and their endorsement of Trump, whom the people here dislike as well. So I'm just telling them to catch up with our trusted relatives from the USA and how they're doing with the current republican regime...
With some however it's just so pointless to discuss in my opinion. Best to keep calling out the lack of serious solutions, stirring up of hatred and Climate change denial. There are enough cognitive dissonance, economy incorrect conclusions to call out.
The YouTube Video "Fascists will only waste your time" argues in-depth why arguing with them will not work. I can recommend watching, if y'all have time to spare!
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This!
The best strategy is to engage in genuine conversations.
Most people just label the unknowledgable as stupid and attempt to desperately convince them with a bombardment of facts and counter-arguments. Even worse is just calling them "Nazi" and leave it at that. This is futile with some people who have gone down too deep into the hate-train of social media. They will immediately mentally blockade what you're saying and the cycle continues.
It's way more effective to get into a friendly conversation and actually engage with what they are saying. Listen. Ask questions. Listen. Ask questions. Understand why they believe what they believe. Be open to their arguments, however rediculous you might find them.
The most important thing you need to realize that it's not their fault and they are not stupid! They are just the output of their environment. Everyone has emotions. And everyone deals with them differently. Everyone has their environment. And everyone sources their information from that environment. Everyone has parts of their lives where they are misinformed or less educated than an expert in the field. You too! Consequently, the way to change someone's belief is to change their environment while understanding their emotional basis.
and everyone is at a different stage in their life. If i'd have to talk to 10-years-ago-me I wouldnt agree with them in beliefs that are still held today pretty commonly
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