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You're overthinking it.

Parents just want their lives back. Plain and simple.

i love my family! the love however is at odds with knowing what its like to live in the same house as my family

Moving out was the best thing that happened to me, had zero privacy at home

Humans have lived in multi-generational homes forever. Moving out at 18 or right after college is a 20th century psyop. It doesn't make sense unless you're getting married.

Indirectly, maybe.

I also think it’s mostly just shitty parents, possibly who also had shitty parents, that forced the “hard knock life” on kids to make them “tough” and self reliant. Assuming they weren’t just regular old being abusive in some form. Being poor can also drive people out, if someone isn’t earning money in an already economically tight situation it can create a lot of friction.

Americans have a kinda messed up family life. This “self reliance” that separates the family unit and attempts to make it a standalone entity against everyone else really doesn’t reflect the way a lot of the rest of the world operates with closer family and community ties. Even not too long ago America was a lot different in that fashion. Probably WW2 and the growth that followed were the main shift.

Its because the US excluded housing appreciation from the CPI, leading to lots of cheap debt all over the world that gradually bid up home values via the cantillon effect. Its now called owners equivalent rent, and its ridiculous.

Exporting all our production to China also helped dropped rates via deflation, though housing being excluded allowed it to simply flow into housing instead of achieving prosperity.

I very much disagree with this. Paying your own rent means you have a place to call your own, even if someone else owns it. Paying a mortgage means you own your own property and have the ability to do whatever you want with it, even if you're tied to a bank.

At 18, you're essentially starting your life, and sometimes you need space to do that.

Look I don't have a bone to pick with the idea of multigenerational living. It's a system that works great for some families. For me though, the most peaceful day of my life is going to be the day after my mother dies. I sometimes dream about how incredible it will feel to know that vile crone will never be able to hurt me again. There is no amount of money you could pay me to live with her again, I've chosen homelessness over it before. No banker's conspiracy did that.

We should absolutely destigmatize the idea of living with your parents, but it is not a solution to our housing crisis. If anything, this rhetoric is similar to that employed by corporations regarding recycling. It pushes the responsibility onto individuals not doing enough, rather than looking at the large levels of corporate property ownership that is the root cause of our crisis.

Would girls still want me if I said I lived with my parents as a 30 year old grown ass man that can't afford his own place?

Unfortunately I can't live with my parents. I probably won't have kids, but if I do, I doubt they could afford to live anywhere else. Not unless I leave the US. It's rough here.

Shame my house would be pretty crowded in that situation. Although those pod bunk beds look fucking sweet and could work.

It's certainly cheaper to get the pod bunkbed that will make any child scream with excitement than it is to buy a larger house which will leave them bored while all their stuff is moved and likely move them away from their friends.

I miss living with family. Lived with my inlaws for a few years and then with my grandmother for another few before moving out on our own. We're selling our house soon and moving back with our inlaws. I've never been so burnt out and exhausted and I'm so looking forward to having extended family around to help with our kids again.

I came back later when I realized family is important to me.

jokes on them, our generation can't afford to live alone anymore

entertainment and stress relief to cope with being alone

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