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Donald Trump had a plan. It was not a good plan, or even a plausible one. But it was, at least, a coherent plan: By imposing large trade barriers on the entire world, he would create an incentive for American business to manufacture and grow all the goods the country previously imported.

Whatever chance this plan had to succeed is already over.

The key to making it work was to convince businesses that the new arrangement is durable. Nobody is going to invest in building new factories in the United States to create goods that until last week could be imported more cheaply unless they’re certain that the tariffs making the domestic version more competitive will stay in place. (They’re probably not going to do it anyway, in part because they don’t know who will be president in four years, but the point is that confidence in durable tariffs is a necessary condition.)

But not everybody got the idea. Eric Trump tweeted, “I wouldn’t want to be the last country that tries to negotiate a trade deal with @realDonaldTrump. The first to negotiate will win - the last will absolutely lose.”

Eric’s father apparently didn’t get the memo either. Asked by reporters whether he planned to negotiate the tariff rates, the president said, “The tariffs give us great power to negotiate. They always have.”

Someone seems to have then told Trump that this stance would paralyze business investment, because he reversed course immediately, writing on Truth Social, “TO THE MANY INVESTORS COMING INTO THE UNITED STATES AND INVESTING MASSIVE AMOUNTS OF MONEY, MY POLICIES WILL NEVER CHANGE.”

However, there is a principle at work here called “No backsies.” Once you’ve said you might negotiate the tariffs, nobody is going to believe you when you change your mind and say you’ll never negotiate.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 hours ago

Donnie has bankrupted everything he's ever touched (including casinos). Why would anyone look at that track record and assume he wouldn't do it again. The man's an imbecile.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 hours ago

How can you botch something that was ireetrievably fucked up from the start? It'd be like defacing a teratoma.

[–] [email protected] 79 points 1 day ago (2 children)

He hasn't botched the tariffs - his goal is to weaken the US as evident by the outcome of every fucking decision he makes. And to that end, he's accomplished his mission.

Stop treating him like a village idiot who's trying to run our country and failing; and start treating him like a domestic enemy to the US who's trying to destroy our country and succeeding.

'Botched' is what happened when that rally shooter missed, and what actively happens every time someone who swore the Oath of Office/Enlistment/Commissioned Officers is within arm's reach of that traitor and fails to uphold their obligation to defend our constitution from all domestic threats.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 day ago

He is not only attacking the US, he wants to breakup democracies world wide and through causing international crisis and turmoil, push all countries into becoming authoritarian regimes, controlled by oligarchs and one-party systems.

That is the actual goal, and he is doing that while trying to maintain plausible deniability, by staging himself as an incompetent and incoherent buffoon.

And even if he is a real buffoon and doesn't understand the end goal, he has a lot of more intelligent antidemocratic advisors around him that do. This is not coming out of nowhere.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago

I think he’s just an egotistical POS who wants to be remembered for something huge, like taking Greenland.

He wants to stand out among other former presidents but he’s too stupid to figure out how to do that while also improving America.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Too bad he can’t botch eating a hamberder. Or stepping out of the shower without falling. Or playing Russian roulette and not losing. There are at least 593 other things he could botch that would do the world much more service.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You think the guy who wears diapers so he can shit himself on purpose, showers?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

Touché. Maybe he can shit himself to death

[–] [email protected] 130 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Local manufacturing isn't the goal, they're going for grift, rug pull, collapse...

[–] [email protected] 65 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yeah it's laughable to suggest that russia has a plan that benefits the US in any way. Help us destroy the country and you can loot the ruins is the plan.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Well hey if the trumps became a dynasty, the US becomes a de facto Russian colony.

I bet he's cool with that.

Then we would actually become second place in his eyes instead of a nation with a bullet hole on his map.

Even writing this makes me wanna gag, this is a horrid little hypothetical I've thought of. Someone, somewhere, is hoping this will occur, though.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 hours ago

Pretty sure China would be the beneficiary. Russia doesn't have that much power, really.

[–] [email protected] 44 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I don't think Trump's plan had anything at all to do with helping America. The tariffs are about wielding power, making threats, creating fear and division, etc.

Trump can pull the tariffs away at a time of his choosing to curry good-favour when he needs it. And since he has that control, and knows the broad effect on stock-prices, he can also use it as a self-enrichment exercise too.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 hours ago

One fun thing to think about is the situation is a direct boon for Russia. They can just import stuff and export to the US at their 0% tariff rate and make a killing.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 day ago

Yeah, it's just a shakedown. The authoritarian countries will just outright bribe him to get the tariffs dropped, democracies are in a bit of a pickle because they typically can't do that, so they'll have to be more creative. We've been through this before.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Very true.

This is why EUs response to this is making me sick. Just grow a fucking pair already. They're tiptoeing around slamming back with massive tariffs, basically confirming to trump that he should push harder to get whatever he wants.

China immediately slapped back with massive tariffs, and this is how it needs to be done.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 hours ago

The EU needs time to get their economies on war footing. They know what's coming.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Oh come on ! China has an authoritarian govt. Of course it can immediately respond. The EU is an alliance of 27 countries, it takes time to agree a mutual response, which everyone has to agree to, particularly when you have Putain's trojan horse in the middle of it disrupting everything.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

Also these 27 countries have varying levels of dependence and relations with the US, making a unified stance more difficult to arrive at, to call some examples

  • Poland imports most of its weapons from the U.S. so they depend on good relations for national security and spare parts
  • Germans largest trading partner: the U.S. The economy depends on exports, and needs to do everything to get the Tariffs down. Norway is a similar boat, their government funds are invested in big tech.
  • meanwhile France has maintained some level of strategic independence
  • Spain and Portugal might even benefit from this, due to their better relation with South American countries and free trade there becomes vital. + potential for growth

Also they consider they have still a competitive advantage over China, since their tariffs are only 20% while these on China are 54%, so action is less urgent.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 16 hours ago

Sometimes, I wish the other 26 would just collectively agree to kick it out. It's not even a Trojan Horse at this point, just a wrench in the gears.

[–] [email protected] 50 points 1 day ago

I mean the coherent portion of the plan was "let's put what effectively are sales taxes on everything, so we can remove the tax burden completely and permanently from companies and billionaires!"

[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 day ago (1 children)

There is no plan.

Trump's plan was to get elected. He did that by saying he was going to MAGA, and he proposed to do that by removing immigrants, cutting government services, and taxing imports.

He got elected, so now he's doing the things he said he would. He's going to die in a decade or so, and he's going to live in a hotel between now and then. He absolutely could not care less about the plight of the average global citizen, or that of the average American citizen for that matter. It's like a game of sim city when you've covered the whole map. There's not really anything left to do other than unleash some disasters.

Imagine a world leader learning that the world is flat. He directs his navy to sail to the edge of the earth and observe the earth in it's true form. The navy leaves port because that's what they were told to do but there's not really a "plan" because the order is fundamentally flawed.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 day ago (2 children)

There is a plan. Replace as much of the government as possible with third party vendors run by loyal donors. Aka how they do it in Russia. once the old systems are gone Who’s gonna stop ya?

Here’s what they’re doing to the IRS with or without waiting for the lawsuits to end. (Just posted in another thread about the article it comes from):

The agency is expected to partner with a third-party vendor to manage certain aspects of the data project. Palantir, a software company cofounded by billionaire and Musk associate Peter Thiel, has been brought up consistently by DOGE representatives as a possible candidate, sources tell WIRED.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yeah. Downsizing government is always conservative speak for "outsourcing tasks to third parties".

That's obviously why Republicans are happy to stand by and watch Musk disassemble everything.

However, I maintain that Trump couldn't care less about that. It doesn't explain the tariffs

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 hours ago

Downsizing government is always conservative speak for “outsourcing tasks to third parties”.

Or removing life-saving regulations and services.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

Exactly, AND Musk kicks in money to sway elections for which he is rewarded more government contracts.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 day ago

Imagine thinking trump is foolishly failing at his economic policies and not aptly carrying out putin’s

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 day ago

coherent

I do not think that word means what you think it means.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 day ago

Jesus fuck. Apparently, people don't get that he does what he does because he has Putin's hand up his ass. FFS, what more could he possibly do to convince you? Give away Alaska?

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)
  1. Crash the market.

  2. Have him and his billionaire friends buy back most of the market at a reduced rate.

  3. Own most of America, be Oligarchs for life changing the political and economic system for ever.

Nope, plan seems to be going exactly how it's supposed to. They probably won't even use their own money as they control the payment systems for the government.

America is well on its way to begin a dead ex-soviet style authoritarian oligarchy - much worse than the corrupt Capitalist Liberal Democracy it was before.

This won't end in 2028, and will probably still be a this way or worse in 2058 and beyond. This isn't some minor change. It's Trump becoming his own Putin styled leader.

Trump has always just followed his mentors plans, first Roy Cohn, now this. You're cooked, sorry. Done for.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 day ago (2 children)

But it was, at least, a coherent plan: By imposing large trade barriers on the entire world, he would create an incentive for American business to manufacture and grow all the goods the country previously imported.

Really Atlantic...??

A. You believe that was the plan as opposed to simply bullying the world to bend the knee and beg...?? Bend the knee and beg is Mafia Don Mangolini's definition of negotiate.

B. You believe that plan to be "coherent"...??

🙄 🤦‍♀️

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 day ago

Certain parties excluded, not everyone in this administration is a moron. I know, I know, not the right forum to say that but it doesn’t change the fact.

Tariffs can be an effective weapon. But it’s a scalpel, not a machete. For example, we can and should tariff Chinese electric imports for not meeting NHTSA safety standards. Or even better, where they’ve stolen American IP.

However, when used as a machete, everyone is going to lose.

Apparently 80s Trump was too knee deep in coke to learn from Ferris Bueller.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

A - Read the rest of the article. He addresses this.

B - I think it's a reasonable description. As the author says, it's a stupid, bad plan, but its more or less coherent, in the sense that there's a basic A+B=C logic to it. He's primarily contrasting this with the absolute incoherence of the execution.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 day ago

I'm convinced that Trump is now confident that his family will control the presidency indefinitely. That's how he can claim "his policies will never change"

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 day ago

Here come the pundits: “This is a president that is known to joke to try and troll the press, that was obviously just a joke he made to troll the press. Its all just obviously just him bull shitting, you can’t believe anything he says, he jokes all the time”

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago

https://archive.ph/xYuVB the archived link for anybody who wants to read it.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago

FALSE! Donald Trump and ALL those Right Wing Commentators TOLD me This was GOOD that Prices are going UP and those Convicted Fraudsters would NEVER Lie to Me!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

Donald Trump had a plan. It was not a good plan, or even a plausible one. But it was, at least, a coherent plan:

  • Make a lot of noise ✅

  • Make a lot of money ✅

  • Tahiti?