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Donald Trump had a plan. It was not a good plan, or even a plausible one. But it was, at least, a coherent plan: By imposing large trade barriers on the entire world, he would create an incentive for American business to manufacture and grow all the goods the country previously imported.

Whatever chance this plan had to succeed is already over.

The key to making it work was to convince businesses that the new arrangement is durable. Nobody is going to invest in building new factories in the United States to create goods that until last week could be imported more cheaply unless they’re certain that the tariffs making the domestic version more competitive will stay in place. (They’re probably not going to do it anyway, in part because they don’t know who will be president in four years, but the point is that confidence in durable tariffs is a necessary condition.)

But not everybody got the idea. Eric Trump tweeted, “I wouldn’t want to be the last country that tries to negotiate a trade deal with @realDonaldTrump. The first to negotiate will win - the last will absolutely lose.”

Eric’s father apparently didn’t get the memo either. Asked by reporters whether he planned to negotiate the tariff rates, the president said, “The tariffs give us great power to negotiate. They always have.”

Someone seems to have then told Trump that this stance would paralyze business investment, because he reversed course immediately, writing on Truth Social, “TO THE MANY INVESTORS COMING INTO THE UNITED STATES AND INVESTING MASSIVE AMOUNTS OF MONEY, MY POLICIES WILL NEVER CHANGE.”

However, there is a principle at work here called “No backsies.” Once you’ve said you might negotiate the tariffs, nobody is going to believe you when you change your mind and say you’ll never negotiate.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Very true.

This is why EUs response to this is making me sick. Just grow a fucking pair already. They're tiptoeing around slamming back with massive tariffs, basically confirming to trump that he should push harder to get whatever he wants.

China immediately slapped back with massive tariffs, and this is how it needs to be done.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 12 hours ago

The EU needs time to get their economies on war footing. They know what's coming.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Oh come on ! China has an authoritarian govt. Of course it can immediately respond. The EU is an alliance of 27 countries, it takes time to agree a mutual response, which everyone has to agree to, particularly when you have Putain's trojan horse in the middle of it disrupting everything.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

Also these 27 countries have varying levels of dependence and relations with the US, making a unified stance more difficult to arrive at, to call some examples

  • Poland imports most of its weapons from the U.S. so they depend on good relations for national security and spare parts
  • Germans largest trading partner: the U.S. The economy depends on exports, and needs to do everything to get the Tariffs down. Norway is a similar boat, their government funds are invested in big tech.
  • meanwhile France has maintained some level of strategic independence
  • Spain and Portugal might even benefit from this, due to their better relation with South American countries and free trade there becomes vital. + potential for growth

Also they consider they have still a competitive advantage over China, since their tariffs are only 20% while these on China are 54%, so action is less urgent.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 18 hours ago

Sometimes, I wish the other 26 would just collectively agree to kick it out. It's not even a Trojan Horse at this point, just a wrench in the gears.