This is a most excellent place for technology news and articles.
I just remembered I still have an old gmail address, I should probably change those things over to my new addresses.
Bold of them to assume I use Google when googling things.
I think people are confused, this has nothing to do with gmail as far as I can tell.
Google is going to websites and subscribing itself to their newsletters. This is not related to consumers.
It's still good to move away from gmail and google in general, just pointing out that it's not scanning your gmail inbox or something like that.
they are definitely scanning your inbox… you can “opt out” but, i don’t trust that either
Thank you, I definitely looked at this sideways for a second until I realized what they meant and you confirmed my thoughts. Yeah I'm happy that my main email is now Proton, and I'm slowly moving accounts over.
I don't want to ruin your day, but Proton is not a safe service anymore, after its owner publicly expressed his love for Trump. So, I highly suggest you to try and move to another European service such as Posteo or Tuta.
I did see that, and it doesn't ruin my day because as of right now everything is encrypted without any backdoors to it, but yes I'm absolutely keeping an eye on it. When I saw that headline though I was pissed. Problem is I also don't know of any other good, safe options currently.
I've used Tutanota for a long time with no issues.
They have no real data plans for people with like 120+ GB of maildata ... None other than proton I found when I researched this. As a citizen that is with no business.
Just to clarify, “you” in this case refers to companies and marketers, not consumers. Looks like this news website is for marketers/SEO industry people.
So this is another headline designed to get a kneejerk reaction outta people.
Basically if I'm a store that sends out a weekly email to subscribers, Google will "read" that email for SEO purposes.
it's the automatically opting in people have a problem with
100% agree. Should be opt-in per email.
But how do they know which email that might be? Do they even know which of my accounts are for business or personal use? If I send an email from my business email to a bunch of friends and relatives to plan a party, will Google assume those are subscribers and pull my party-planning content from my email and put that info... somewhere... on my business page? I don't want them reading any of my emails, ever.
The email from Google was laughable in that it contained almost no info on how this process is supposed to work. All it means to me is that I don't have control over my own content. This should have been opt-in instead of opt-out.
This has nothing to do with gmail or the emails you send/receive.
The process is googles search bot will subscribe google to marketing newsletters available on websites, it's outlined in the linked post: "Google will either subscribe to your emails automatically or you can add [email protected] to your email lists and that will do it."
I assume its more of it subscribes to your newsletter same as a user would, so when you send out the newsletter to "group 1", the google thing is also on that mailing list.
And yes, should absolutely be opt-in, per mailing list, per email.
Yeah, because they’ve been doing this to us plebs for years now.
Me, in 2005: Why would anyone use a service that scans your personal email for things to sell you?
Me 20 years later: . . so. . . tired
Most of us were fucking shitty teenagers when this shit was going down.. I literally had nothing to hide haha
Then Google photos uploaded all my pictures into the cloud around 2015... It finally hit me the we are dealing with rapist culture in the tech companies
Deny the parasite profit and engagement
These people are your enemies, never forget
rapist culture
Louis Rossmann fan?
I have been guilty of enjoying his spazzing...
Anyone got a any opinions (or a link to a review) of the different options? Proton and tuta come up, are there others worth considering?
I understand that I'll probably need to pay (otherwise I'm the product) and encryption / security is good, but the thing that keeps with Gmail (apart from inertia) is that it feels quick and easy to use. My only real experience of non Gmail sites over the last two decades have been terrible but mandatory work webmail systems that are slow, clunky and look a decade out of date. Or Hotmail, which sucks for a variety of reasons.
Mailbox.org is another good option, pretty cheap to use with your own domain which I highly recommend. With your own domain you can move email providers almost instantly later on without needing to update emails on all your accounts.
Don't use Proton. The owner of the company is a Trump supporter. Also, Proton is based in Switzerland, I think a EU service is better for European citizens.
Startmail (from the Startpage folks) has been fine for me. You pay for it, you can put your domain on it, you can do alias addresses, works with any IMAP client since it's just IMAP ran by a (so far) competent company. Their web ui is fine, but ive only used it for initial setup. Besides Thunderbird on mobile I use Snappymail within Nextcloud and this works just fine as well. All I can say is it does what it says on the tin.
In general, encryption causes slow search which makes everything feel clunky. For this reason, I opted for a non-encrypted provider.
I now personally use Posteo since they have a strong privacy policy, but a more complete and user-friendly option might be Infomaniak. They offer free email, or a suite including 1TB cloud storage for €20 per year. They’re hosting in Switzerland.
My only real experience of non Gmail sites over the last two decades have been terrible but mandatory work webmail systems that are slow, clunky and look a decade out of date.
Uh same, Outlook Web's search function sucks so much compared to Gmail's 😫
So basically just give me Gmail's UX without the corporation pls. Do any of the competitors have similar search, filtering and tagging behaviour?
Mailspring desktop client has a pretty neat UI imo.
Don't use webmail then? There are enough E-Mail tools on every OS.
Using email clients is fine on my primary devices, but I often have to use email on other people's computers. I don't really want to go back to carrying a usb of portable apps again. And some public computers have usb drive access disabled, understandably.
but I often have to use email on other people's computers
why?
public computers have usb drive access disabled
But why would you ever want to log in to your private e-mail on a public computer?
I travel a lot, and spend time in a lot of random places, stay with friends and such like. My job means that I can set my own schedule most of the time, but sometimes I need to respond to something pretty urgently. So, there's been plenty of times when I've been travelling light and suddenly been asked to pull a bunch of data from a spreadsheet and write some quick report on it, so usually I just ask whoever I'm with if I can use their pc for an hour and get it out the way.
It's certainly possible do it all on a phone, but it's much quicker and more pleasant to just use a proper keyboard and screen. And there have been times (like after a ill-advised encounter with a fountain in Rome) when my phone is temporarily out of action, so if I need to deal with travel arrangements on a public computer it might involve accessing my emails.
Phone?
and they'll pay you for helping them out with their product right???
I finally just blew up my gmail the other week and not a moment to soon as it seems. Much happier with my new swiss provider.
I'm so glad I made the choice to move away from Gmail and Google search a few years ago.
i want to get away from gmail but I can't find a replacement that doesn't cost a service fee to be reliable.
If you won't pay cash, then you have to pay data.
ahhh. so I guess I just can't use email anymore. got it!
edit: /s in case it was not obvious.
Would you provide a free mail service?
In general, no, you will not be provided services at no cost. If you want to go back to the post office, they will require you to buy stamps.
Tuta has a free tier.
As does Proton.
I went with Tuta though.
That's how the world works unfortunately, someone has to pay for it
Look into infomaniak (yes, I know, silly name), but its a serious service and very up to par with Google Suite.
thank you. i feel like i've seen their name around but I wasn't quite sure what they were about.
I would ask "was it this? https://beehaw.org/comment/4363681 "
because I found it in my notes by its website preview from when I saved it, but it seems someone deleted something and lemmy shit the bed again, and you dont have have a normal descriptive link like reddit does but only an internal database ID that does not refer to anything anymore....
the post title was "is this normal for domain name registrars to do.", and something that infomaniak did
I would ask "was it this? https://beehaw.org/comment/4363681
I have this userscript that changes all Lemmy links to my home instance, so that comment still shows up here: https://lemmy.world/comment/15087567
Copying the content for further backup:
Since your goal is “to move to a European registrar” Porkbun is not for you.
https://hosting-checker.net/websites/porkbun.com “Webserver Amazon”
Here are some additional options. https://european-alternatives.eu/category/domain-name-registrar
https://1984.hosting/product/hosting/
I suggest you reach out to Infomaniak support and ask for an alternative method which is less invasive.
https://www.infomaniak.com/en/help
Try to make Infomaniak a better experience for everyone. Infomaniak claims to be “The Ethical Cloud” but they did not start business as a privacy company and have been learning over time. Help to teach them with one more customer story. Let us know what happens.
If no luck with Infomaniak helping, you can try to contact a different registrar before signing up to confirm they will accept your domain type and ask them what the process will be. Hold them accountable to whatever process they describe if you choose them.
wow thanks! that's a long script, how do you know the new numeric ID that corresponds to the same content on the home instance?
