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They'll cast you back to the Windows realm with all their toxic might (discuss.tchncs.de)

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 21 hours ago (2 children)

What scares me is that I’ve tried to hook multiple “geekier” teenagers on Linux, and they aren’t interested. Even the math-y ones don’t know the difference between an operating system and a browser. My main computer is Arch with xmonad and it disturbs and confuses them.

We have a lost generation when it comes to computers. Lots of the little geeks that would have been playing around in the registry or learning powershell 15 years ago are so stuck in walled gardens that they don’t even know there’s a world outside of them.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 18 hours ago

that's because an emphasis was made to be productive on technology, not imaginative while they were kids.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 17 hours ago

To be fair, Windows really hasn't pushed Powershell all that much. They haven't even fully ported over all of Command Prompt's commands. You have to prefix those with .\ (I think; it's been a while) in order to get them to run even though the error message that comes up if you don't include that will tell you, "Hey, there's a command named this. Prefix it with that to use it."

Now, instead of simply porting everything over, they have one app (named Terminal) running both programs.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 18 hours ago (3 children)

I have no idea what CLI is. I just use Mint and don't put much thought in.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 15 hours ago

It's an abbreviation for Command Line Interface To Objects Residing In System. A lot of male programmers can't find it.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

I think it's the Linux equivalent of Windows Command Prompt.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 hours ago

Oh, that thing. I have used that in the past, but it's been a while since I've needed to.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 hours ago

Windows Command Prompt/Powershell is a CLI, Linux's is called Terminal

Command Line Interface - an interface method to your computer using lines of text

[–] [email protected] 1 points 14 hours ago

I had to learn cli and server linuxes as part of uni but i haven't used them for my fedora other than nvidia drivers and things windows users need to install putty and winscp for. It's nice.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Remember to build everything from source

[–] [email protected] 1 points 15 hours ago

Nah, Tarballs are delicious!

Compiling is only needed to solve dependencies when you get caught in rpm hell.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 19 hours ago

Grew up with ms-dos. Spent half my career in telnet and ssh consoles.

When I just want to play Balatro at the end of a long day fuck any system that requires more than click click to get me in.

That's why I'm switching to Linux when windows 10 is no longer supported because fuck win 11 and the amount of regedits it's gonna take to get that working.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 22 hours ago

A meme is a great way to avoid their fury; Lynx doesn't show images.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 day ago (4 children)

I can understand people not wanting to learn a ton of CLIs, I cannot understand people refusing to use any at all. They have the distinct advantage that you can copy + paste stuff, whereas in Windows you sometimes have to follow like a dozen steps to do whatever you want to do in a 2000s GUI.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (1 children)

An at least superficial understanding of the cli is an essential part of using linux. If you don't ever want to use a cli, what are you doing pursuing linux? Do you just want a free version of windows? Go pirate windows.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

I pursue Linux because I want a FOSS OS and its privacy and security benefits, not because I want to tinker and learn the CLI.

I mean, I do want to tinker and I have learned the CLI but it's not why I pursue Linux.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

I guess I should have written "If you want to never have to use a cli" instead of "If you don't ever want to use a cli", as I didn't mean you have to want to use a cli to use linux. I meant that one has to be OK with using a cli, accepting of the fact that they have to use a cli.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It's open source, they can just make their own distro.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (7 children)

And that attitude is why Linux is struggling to gain market cap imho.

Yes they can, but maybe we need to embrace those who arent tech saavy?

Saying if you dont like it, go do your own thing is not very welcoming.

We should encourage people to create their own distribution, but maybe welcome people with open arms first, guide them to a flavour that works for them, and then encourage them to learn how to make it exactly what they want

Edit: ~~Market capture~~ > market share

[–] [email protected] 4 points 21 hours ago (3 children)

Market cap? Which stock symbol is it? 😉

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Haha market cap, market share , they're still all about selling stuff so dont really apply./ Market share is normally measured in share of revenue in most industries.

There are lots of webpages, tutorials, youtubes and stuff like that for these people already. I'm sure they can also pay companies like canonical for more dedicated support if that's what they need.

If you want to welcome people, go ahead and do it, nothing stopping you. Create the webpage or forum or youtube channel, distribution, or write the book whatever is missing. Just make sure to moderate it to remove CLI based answers and block users like me.

"I" exist and I'm sure I'm never going to be part of your "we". The current situation of linux home user base seems just fine to me without pandering to a load of windows users. I think you should work on your desired subculture and keep me out if it. Leave me out of it - i can stay over here under my bridge in linuxmemes wearing my new programming socks.

For the home market maybe you can look at valve and steamdeck or something as an example of an acessible linux sub-culture. Valve doesn't maintain and support that for free though. It'd be interesting to know how many full time employees they have on steamdeck OS just for the one device (and maybe a few gaming perpherals) and one GUI. Then expand that to all esoteric hardware and all GUIs . . .
I guess chromeOS and a few forks of that is another similar example - i think that's still linux kernel based - some limitations on hardware i think.

What I'd actually like to see is B2B growth (for user ) - but I don't think linux will ever be bought by employers like mine - I know how the procurement department operates - and I can't see that changing. There are plenty of people who don't need my support trying business sales, redhat, canonical, suse etc and more power to them - but microsoft didn't get big in B2B by being usable, nor by nor having "no CLI", nor by having a supportive community to home users. They just packaged it in a way that ticked all the boxes for the corpo procurement types - though most B2B customers do need their own dedicated user support.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

My presumption is that we want people too so using Windows and supporting Microsoft/Apple

If you don't agree with that there really isn't much for you and I to discuss, my above view doesn't make much sense without that presumption.

So, do you think the world would be better if people stopped using Microsoft?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 hours ago

That's not something that I'd think is any of my business to want or not want.

I can't really answer the last question, I'd need to know a lot more about all thendifferent things these microsoft users are doing; what're the alternatives; and, how disruptive might the transition be. On balance, given the uncertainties, I'd have to say probably not.

I mean if i stopped using Microsoft entirely (i.e. at work) I'd have to find a new job, probably one I'm less experienced at. And likely I'd end up working for a bigger bunch of scumbags. Likely no net gain and a load of botheration in the meanwhile.

Also i might miss the regular BSOD inspired tea breaks . . .

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