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    I hate people who only release their App on flatpak (lemmy.ml)
    submitted 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) by Luffy879@lemmy.ml to c/linuxmemes@lemmy.world
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    For context: I habe a PC with an 8gb SSD and I somehow need to get an app on there that only has a flatpak release

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    [–] swelter_spark@reddthat.com 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)

    I liked Snaps and Flatpaks fine when I first started using Linux, and the distro I was on treated them the same as software in the repo, but I eventually started to avoid them because of the space they take up, and because I got tired of constantly having to mess around with permissions to try to get things working. Now, if something isn't available in rpm, I use AppImage or a tarball, or compile it myself.

    [–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 week ago (2 children)
    • rpm: signed payload and manifest with signatures in bill of materials that integrates and coordinates with system db and allows enterprise content review and validation at every step and/or easy back-out.
    • flatpack/app image - none of these.

    Anyone interested in build, security, deployment, should have issue with that. But look at its corp champions and discover their motive.

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    [–] daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 1 week ago

    Build it from source them.

    [–] Rooty@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago

    Flatpak is love, flatpak is life.

    [–] db2@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

    If it's only available as a flatpak I don't need it. 🀷

    [–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 10 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

    Its your call

    However, Flatpak is growing in popularity so chances are that's going to be more and more the norm. Same thing with Wayland.

    [–] RogueBanana@lemmy.zip 9 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    Are there people who hate Wayland as well?

    [–] daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

    There are people who hate anything new.

    Call it flatpak, call it wayland, call it systemd. There's always haters.

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    [–] Neptr@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    Yes there are. Actually quite a lot. They hate it because it isn't a perfect solution in every single case that X.Org provided but ignore the long history of vulnerabilities, bugs, and cursed workarounds present in X.Org. it is getting harder for them to hate though as most of the pain points (eg. color management and global shortcuts) are part of the standard now.

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    [–] lemmydividebyzero@reddthat.com 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

    Storage is cheap, I don't care at all as long as I can easily install it without having to go online to search for missing dependencies in the correct version.

    My only problem with Flatpak was when I tried to install an IDE and made it use Podman or Docker and the container thingy caused problems.

    [–] 6mementomorib@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

    "x is cheap" is not the greatest take imo. it's cheap until you just so happen to not be able to afford it. what now? better give me an income for the price in storage. not talking about flatpak specifically.

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    [–] FurryMemesAccount@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

    Another missed occasion to have taken a screenshot. There's gnome-screenshot, scrot, your DE's integrated tool and so many others to choose from, you can do it!

    That sort of shit makes me hate the modern internet. (Also screenshots are cleaner and therefore compress better since you seem to care (rightfully) about storage space.)

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    [–] secret300@lemmy.sdf.org 8 points 1 week ago

    btrfs compression and dedupe. Saves a lot of space

    [–] rtxn@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

    Skelly is rapidly approaching your location.

    tl;dr: some applications (like Bottles) are designed to run only in sandboxed environments. Flatpak is a robust way to ensure that an application has the correct dependencies and conditions for proper functionality.

    [–] AllHailTheSheep@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

    and 8gb ssd? at that size it's surely a removable 2242 ngff drive, it's like 10$ for a 64gb one. you're quite literally throttling your systems read/write speed, cause ssds want at least 20% free to manipulate files.

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    [–] HStone32@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

    I only use flatpack when I need the most up to date version of a software for whatever reason.

    [–] jmf@lemm.ee 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

    Ok dude, you should have looked at the minimum requirements for a linux install before buying that thin client. I checked debian and fedora and both had minimun requirements exceeding 8gb for graphical environments. Read the manual, stop bashing a tool you arent using right. Flatpak works great for almost every use case, especially if you learn how to tweak the sandbox.

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    [–] bugg@lemm.ee 6 points 1 week ago

    But it’s a delta.

    [–] lemmydividebyzero@reddthat.com 6 points 1 week ago

    Or alternatively... crzyshrtct was not found on your host, but is required, daddy. Please install it to be able to use the software.

    [–] PotatoesFall@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

    what kind of app only bundles a flatpak? Surely there's manual install instructions?

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    [–] halva@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 week ago

    you probably have thrice that in your yay/paru or emerge cache

    i know what you are.

    [–] hendrik@palaver.p3x.de 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (20 children)

    Lots of people seem to like it. I also use it for like 2 or 3 desktop apps, but it's alao littering my filesystem with gigabytes of runtimes. And I believe I can salely remove Skype now...

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    [–] guilhermegnzaga@lemmy.eco.br 5 points 1 week ago

    TONS OF SAME STUFF

    every time:

    downloads a different version of KDE from 2014

    [–] uairhahs@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago (7 children)

    Everyone brazenly saying Flatpak is the best install package management system has stockholm syndrome.

    [–] Realitaetsverlust@lemmy.zip 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

    It is the best one for people that don't know a lot about linux. Many people are at a loss when they read basic errors like fatal error: <header>.h: No such file or directory or ld: cannot find -l<library>. Flatpak solves a lot of that by specifically including all of it in the installation.

    So ye, for non-power users, flatpak is the best package manager. It also has only one downside, which is the increased storage requirement for apps as they have to bring all of their dependencies themselves, which is okay these days as storage isn't that expensive anymore.

    And everything is better than fucking snap if we're honest for a second.

    [–] Irelephant@lemm.ee 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

    I really don't understand the flatpak hate. Stuff doesn't magically work across distros, and app devs don't usually want to debug every major one. If you're running linux on a thinkpad from 2004, sure, it wouldn't be the best but most people can probably afford the overhead.

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