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I don't understand the point of that, honestly. Torturing someone (thus punishing them regardless) into confessing, coaxing a confession out of someone making the confession itself highly incredulous. What's the point?
Thanks for all the replies, guys! I appreciate the responses but at the same time I'm now even more depressed. 😬
The point is to kill and torture these people. Calling them terrorists is a tried and true tactic.
They will call him Hamas whether he confesses or not and then say they killed another Hamas terrorist.
Because it’s a genocide.
If he confesses they’re justified because “he was totally hamas” if he holds out they’re justified because “he’s a highly trained hamas agent”.
The BBC and New York times will publish the confession uncritically to manufacture consent for Israel torturing doctors.
Confess -> got a video of a "Hamas member" who works in the medical field confessing to whatever you want.
Doesn't confess -> torture him to death and don't share the story or simply increase the count of "Hamas militants" killed that you'll show later to journalists and other governments.
The point is cruely and supremacy. Everyone knows torture doesn't work when it comes to extracting information, even the Nazis knew that much. What they want is to instill fear and terror into every Palestinian, in an attempt to bring the entire population into despair and cripple the resistance. That's why the IDF routinely kidnaps Palestinians, including children, without any evidence or fair trial, to incarcerate them indefinitely in torture prisons that are more inhumane than we can possibly imagine.
Palestinian Prisoners in Israeli Prisons
Palestinians are jailed without charge, forced into false confessions, routinely tortured, raped, denied medical attention, and some even killed as a result. This includes hundreds of children.
Palestinians denied civil rights (HRW) including Military Court (B'TSelem)
Palestinian Prisoners in Israel (wiki)
Children are jailed and abused in Israeli prisons (Save The Children)
Torture and Abuse in Interrogations (B'TSelem)
Thousands of Palestinians are held without charge under Israeli detention policy (NPR)
To push them into breaking so when you kill them you can say that the torture is justified.
Hamas is an excuse, the genocide will happen regardless
This is yet another one of many examples that affirms the correct answer to "does israel have a right to exist?" is no. No nation has an inherent right to exist, but certainly a nation as horrible as israel should not exist for many reasons, including morally, just like how nazi germany has no right to exist.
For everyone wondering if this means genocide against Israel -- no! Of course not! This means the nation -- that is, the government, the borders, etc. -- needs to be reformed.
That's some really fucked up thinking, on par with invading forces. You're essentially advocating for a genocide, including the masses of people in Israel who are constantly protesting against this war
Even I, a person who lives in East Europe, who has been affected by Russiay entire life, with Ukraine invasion to top it off, do not wish harm upon every single russian.
If you start thinking like them, then what makes you morally better?
He said Israel, not israelians. but it would either be another diaspora or their neighbors will take revenge and continue the cycle of hatred.
Which might be one of the objectives as well. "You can't let our people in the hands of the arabs, they are gonna kill us all in revenge for us killing them!". Ensure the israeli state exists because without it, their people die.
So by your logic, due to how much problems the US is causing to it's neighbours and in the world right now, it is morally acceptable to destroy USA and make Americans look for new homes?
Bruh, I sometimes feel like reddit is mild compared to whatever the fuck I walked into
If we were in the 18th century, for sure. for a country more than 200 years old? No. Israel is not even a century old. There are barely 3 generations there.
Decleration of independence does not equal people suddenly appearing there on that date. 3 generations? What? You clearly missed your history lessons. Why do you think archeology keeps finding Jewish artifacts on Palestinian land? The Jewish people have been living there for at least 5000 years. The Land of Israel, being under different names under different world powers, has existed for so long even the bible revolves around it. You can start by searching for "12 tribes of Israel"
There have been multiple attempts to remove them from those lands, like when Roman empire invaded and then re-named their land to Palestine to spite Israel, but.. ehh, this got too long
You gotta wonder how Israel will get out from under netenyahu/spelling. He’s their sadam now
Nope nope nope. Putting the blame entirely on Netanyahu is like putting the entire blame on Trump. Both are symptoms of an underlying society and many people enabling and condoning that behavior. Look at stats, watch translated videos of their media, read Israeli and non-Israeli historians. This shit ain't new and some would argue is exactly what the Zionist state was created to carry out.
That headline seems like a bit of a catch 22. If he says he’s Hamas, he becomes a “legitimate” target.
If you refuse to tell us you're Hamas, we'll be forced to murder your family.
If you tell us your Hamas, we'll be obligated to murder your family.
Totally different scenarios.
Genociders gonna genocide.
Boy. Im so happy that religious nut bags are using my tax dollars to kill children. /s
Honestly, if there is a hell. A lot of the American Christians are going to burn in it.
Makes a lot of sense that the IDF are the same people largely training cops in the US. Conflicting logic and orders so no matter what they get to shoot.
Data you get from people by using torture is automatically invalid, especially when it comes to getting people to "admit" things.
When are we finally going to consider this the war crime/crime against humanity it is?
Torture isn't useful as an intelligence-gathering tool, but that's not what it's being used for here. Torture works quite well for manufacturing confessions to use as propaganda to justify further killing/torture/other crimes.
I'm always really surprised more people don't post this stuff in conservative dominated spaces.
They're not monsters. Aside from the trolls and bots that are paid to try to sway them to be. Also the under 20 year olds that are edge Lords.
I think it's legit to get discussions and to challenge their core beliefs honestly. I do it. Some get through, sometimes I get banned. But I'm surprised more people don't go out and do similar
Most moderators of conservative spaces actively remove this type of news. If you manage to find a conservative space allowing this kind of stuff by all means do post it there.
These days feel like an 'Are we the baddies?' moment for the US
Always have been. Hitler said himself he was inspired by the American way of treating people of colour.