Wasn't there some big EU cloud project (aside from IPCEI, EUCLIDIA and the dotzen others), that was in the end used mostly by big US corp? Was it HORIZON cloud?
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A bunch of smaller EU firms should merge and get half as tall as one of the trifecta. EU companies should get them the rest of the way up to their same size.
They need to look into using alternative root servers for DNS and domain registrations as well.
Multiple countries in Europe are already working overtime to rat-fuck DNS. I'd prefer if euro-leadership remained blissfully unaware of the root DNS servers.
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All hypothetical of course. Not convinced things will go that far without some more clear indicators.
The root servers are already spread over the globe. Enough of them are operated by non US orgs too to handle things initially, I suspect that the localised anycast servers located outside the US for those USA based operators would probably go on serving.
It'd be trivial to replace them anyway, and frankly we traffic would be much lower anyway since a lot of the Internet is run by us based organisations.
For domain registration on tlds not run by the us, they should continue to operate fine.
We have I-Root and K-Root in Europe, these are certainly used…
No one told the US to be careful what you wish for.
In Switzerland, Proton is well-known but their CEO is more than shady, and Infomaniak is a better alternative.
they offer so much, I’m surprised I hadn’t heard about them before. ~~Most of their apps have proprietary clients though, right?~~ And they don’t seem to offer privacy features like simplelogin for email, which was the main reason why I subscribed. and additionally, one would then have to pay separately for vpn
edit: they have open source clients
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Cancuck here. I've moved all my services out of the US if possible. Moved almost everything to a dedicated server at OVH BHS and a VPS at Servarica. The only service I've kept with a US company is my SMTP relay. Can't go wrong with MXroute and it's not some big company mining all your emails as they go through. Plus if I have something sensitive to send I use PGP or use my self hosted Matrix and message it to the person.
I concur. I have been using various OVH services for over 15 years, and, in spite of some amateurism that sometimes betrays its family business roots, there service is top notch, because they show dedication to solving your problems.
I sure hope so, but I have little faith tbh. Cloud providers have done a great job selling serverless solutions that are tightly coupled with the provider. Wise companies have limited themselves to the basics - load balancers, servers, maybe some serverless container solution or kubernetes. The latter can move pretty much anywhere with some, but not a whole lot, of effort. The former, have fun rediscovering the quirks of your new provider's equivalent of lambdas or whatever (or at worst, rewriting the whole thing).
Wise companies have limited themselves to the basics
"Wise" is subjective here. Using a cloud vendor's implementation can yield many times more efficiency, simplicity, stability, scalability, and agility vs rolling you own. Does it come with the cost of vendor lock-in? It absolutely can. Will that make migration to another vendor difficult? It will.
So for organizations that never embraced the cloud alternatives have had to maintain their own infrastructure or use commodity solutions, as you mentioned, to deliver their IT needs. How much more was spent using a general purpose approach with higher portability to deliver the same result vs a cloud providers proprietary version? Then include the time component.
Only time will tell.
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I'm increasingly seeing ads about Canadian cloud hosting services. I just hope companies stat to look at local solutions seriously.
We're looking at scaleway. They seem pretty decent so far.
In my immediate vicinity I can see a trend to insource critical infrastructure again. Not necessarily to their own servers but towards certified European data centers. Sometimes they manage to cut costs at the same time as the pricing structure for the big three is so in-transparent that they wasted a lot on unneeded resources.
in-transparent
As a helpful FYI the word you were looking for there was "opaque".
I've been closing all my US based accounts recently. I was looking for a non US based Password manager service a couple of days ago. I used european-alternatives.eu and looked at a couple of options before settling on "Heylogin" it is so good I thought I had better recommend it to others.. oh and I dumped chat GPT for chat.mistral.ai a couple of weeks ago, I recommend giving it a go.
It's deepseek, Gemini, mixtral or bust for me. Chatgpt is so low in my personal rankings it's upsetting
Heylogin looks pretty cool, thanks for the hint. I will definitely take a deeper look into that!
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In just see no alternative to Microsofts Office tools. I think 99% of all companies in Western world rely on Microsoft office.
technically libreoffice exists, they really need to fix office comparability though
No, they just need to enforce PDFs for things that leave an office so everyone else isn't locked into loading and running a bloated mess just to view a read-only spreadsheet.
The analogue to the printed chart isn't an XLS6 attached to e-mail. It's a PDF.
That's it. Done.
No, they just need to enforce PDFs for things that leave an office
Then, you'll get people whinging that they need Adobe Acrobat Professional in order to edit the PDFs!
Something something leading a horse to water
I'd prefer a Wiki style software that exports to PDF. Why aren't we all using wiki's, with build in version control and diagramming, like Confluence, Youtrack, etc..?
Those are moving goalposts. The LibreOffice devs do their best, but they'll always be a step behind. The correct solution is to get people to move away from closed yet ever-changing standards made by monoliths who wish to retain a monopoly.
Note that I'm not saying that's easy or even possible. Only that it's correct.
MS Office rules the corporate world because their standards never change.
Open a document created in modern Word in Word 97. Then tell me the standards never change.
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There is no real alternative to Excel, that's the killer app. Anyone arguing differently hasn't got the corporate experience to argue.
Doesn't even matter if an alternate is better, and none are, it's about rock-solid compatibility and knowing your sheets and books will still work in 20-years.
MS fucks about with OS updates, but notice that they never break Excel? (or Word or PowerPoint for that matter)
Of course there are alternatives to Excel. Anyone pretending otherwise has only worked at a few places and is generalizing with great but mistaken confidence.
But even if there weren't, think about those companies living on the edge of one software breakdown. There's a word for that: brittle. Meh, YOLO.
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Europe broke their own procurement laws to use Microsoft, they have so many own goals they may as well just accept their fate.