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Summary

A federal judge criticized a Trump administration Justice Department lawyer who claimed they didn't have to follow the judge's oral order blocking deportations to El Salvador because it wasn't in writing.

Judge Boasberg questioned why the administration ignored his directive to return immigrants to the US. The DOJ lawyer repeatedly refused to provide information about the deportations, citing "national security concerns."

Frustrated, Boasberg ordered sworn declarations explaining what happened, quipping that he would issue a written order "since apparently my verbal orders don't seem to carry much weight."

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[–] [email protected] 69 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

The US is in a constitutional crisis with situations like this, and so many people just don't seem to care or want to acknowledge that it's at that point.

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[–] [email protected] 38 points 9 hours ago (8 children)

So what is the judge going to do? Admonish them?

[–] [email protected] 35 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

Judge Boasberg does have one other card he can play, according to FRCJ Rule 4.1(b). If the US Marshal service is unable or unwilling to carry out a federal court order, the Judge who issued the order can deputize individuals to carry it out.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Could they deputize, say, the military?

[–] [email protected] 19 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (1 children)

Not just the military. I draw your attention to this, emphasis mine

(a) In General. Process—other than a summons under Rule 4 or a subpoena under Rule 45 —must be served by a United States marshal or deputy marshal or by a person specially appointed for that purpose.

Section (b) says:

Enforcing Orders: Committing for Civil Contempt. An order committing a person for civil contempt of a decree or injunction issued to enforce federal law may be served and enforced in any district. Any other order in a civil-contempt proceeding may be served only in the state where the issuing court is located or elsewhere in the United States within 100 miles from where the order was issued.

The line:

a person specially appointed for that purpose.

is interesting because it does not specify who is qualified to be appointed. Now, I am concerned that this language means that Judge Boasberg may only appoint one person, but if he seems it necessary, he could probably get away with appointing more.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 hours ago

Could he appoint one person who then assembles a "task force" of individuals who support them? Or do they have to be each appointed by the judge himself for that specific task?I think one guy isn't going to cut it, but if 500 guys show up on the WH lawn to enforce the court order it might have some weight.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

He'll move up to SLAMS next

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

If that doesn't work, the judge can throw him off Hell In A Cell, and plummet 16 ft through an announcer’s table.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 hours ago

don't let this man distract you

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 hours ago

Slamming the meat on the grill!

[–] [email protected] 8 points 7 hours ago

Well, he criticized them… so. Lesson learned, right?

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Like at what point does everyone else in the government finally say "ok we have to treat them as treasonous" this is a madhouse full of complacent fools.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

At this point I don't see the politicians being the people to save us. Honestly don't know what the military would do either. They'd probably fight internally until the MAGA component wins or gets squashed.

So much can change so quickly. That's usually how the big changes go, especially when they are unfavorable.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Save you from what? Is your life ruined? Are we all losing our rights in the US? Are we all being deported? How bad is your life right now, that you need "saving?"

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[–] [email protected] 192 points 13 hours ago (3 children)

Throw. That. Lawyer. In. PRISON. There may be no way to enforce the law on Trump himself, but make lawyers afraid to do his dirty work.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

"A nation which can prefer disgrace to danger is prepared for a master, and deserves one."

  • Alexander Hamilton
[–] [email protected] 21 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Throw everyone who implemented it in prison. Trump may have made himself an untouchable dictator but just himself.

Remember that loyalty only goes one way, unless it’s in trumps personal interest such as profiting from it. Make him go on record as either pardoning the criminals or dropping them

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 hour ago

What about all the hardcore criminals he sent out, should we bring them all back and release them?

[–] [email protected] 45 points 13 hours ago (6 children)

Wouldn't Trump just pardon them?

[–] [email protected] 144 points 12 hours ago (3 children)

Make him do it. Make him do it over and over. New contempt charges every time one of these asshat lawyers refuses a lawful court order. Take up all of Trump's time with having to continuously pardon his own lawyers.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

It literally takes trump 20 seconds to tell an aid to start paperwork for a pardon.

After 8 years of watching the legal system completely and utterly fumble any semblance of justice against Trump, it is bizarre to see you hail legal action as the ultimate method of dismantling the Trump regime. Big "I think Mueller is still going to bring Trump down!" energy.

Nothing will change until the ruling class have fear in their hearts, and if the most obstructive and radical thing you can imagine is "waste trumps time by making him pardon an extra 15 people" also happens to be the prevalent mindset of other liberals, then yall are mega doomed.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Nothing will change until the ruling class have fear in their hearts, and if the most obstructive and radical thing you can imagine is “waste trumps time by making him pardon an extra 15 people” also happens to be the prevalent mindset of other liberals, then yall are mega doomed.

Did anyone say it was the only method on the table?

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 11 hours ago

He can't pardon a disbarment, though!

[–] [email protected] 9 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (1 children)

I don't think he can. Courts have the power to hold people until they comply with a court order.

Technically so does congress although it's never done.

US Marshalls, however, are a real thing and work for the judiciary.

Edit: ugh, they are responsible for carrying out what the judiciary needs, but it's still part of the executive (DoJ).

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[–] [email protected] 65 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

They feel that they can ignore it because they can ignore it. Stop letting them!

[–] [email protected] 12 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Well considering Republicans control every branch of government, they're assuming they can and will get away with it. Even if this goes up to SCOTUS, the conservative justices will let them do what they want. One of them will "dissent" though to try to make it seem like they don't agree. They're probably behind closed doors playing rock, paper, scissors to see who "dissents" each time a hot button topic gets up to them.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Also didn't the Supreme Court just rule that you can't charge the president for crimes made in their official capacity? He can just say it was in his official capacity to ignore the orders so tough titties.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

That doesn't mean his actions would stand, it just means he can't be prosecuted for it.

If he fires someone and it's ruled illegal, they get their job back or some very large settlement.

Deported people would be able to return etc.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 11 hours ago (6 children)

How do they do that? Their enforcers work for Trump.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

They can deputize citizens to carry out the orders too

[–] [email protected] 12 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

Then if the deputies fail you start sheriffizing people.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 hours ago

Nah, you just start deputizing more effective people. Like ex special forces

[–] [email protected] 9 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

Sheriffs are usually elected, not appointed. It’s one of the big reasons decriminalization is so difficult; No elected cop wants to look soft on crime, because their opponents can use it against them in smear campaigns during the next election.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 10 hours ago

Wahoo it's-a me Luigi

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[–] [email protected] 72 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (4 children)

'You felt you could disregard it?'

Well, given that they disregarded it and are now standing before you arguing that they had the right to disregard it, I think it's safe to say that yes, they felt they could disregard it. And given that the migrants were deported anyway, your orders were not only completely ignored, but were also being openly mocked on Twitter by Marco Rubio, and they will receive no punishment for doing so, I think it's safe to say that they were right.

Frustrated, Boasberg ordered sworn declarations explaining what happened, quipping that he would issue a written order “since apparently my verbal orders don’t seem to carry much weight.”

He's about to find out that his written orders carry even less. Remember, the Supreme Court ruled that he can't even be questioned about official acts, much less investigated. Trump could go on his Twitter knock-off tomorrow and tell this guy to go fuck himself with a chainsaw and there's fuck-all this judge can do about it.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 hour ago (3 children)

It was disregarded because it was a vocal demand when the criminals were already halfway to their destination. If we allowed a federal judge to say "wait, don't do that!" and express vocally their outrage, to the POTUS every time they disagreed, there would be no point in having a person voted as President.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (1 children)

This is kind of insane to witness unfold in real time. These fossils don’t understand that they’ve been stripped from their institutional powers. They are literally not able to understand what’s happening even if it’s totally transparent to anyone watching.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 hour ago

Oh brother..

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[–] [email protected] 166 points 14 hours ago

He didn't feel he could disregard it.

He successfully disregarded it.

[–] [email protected] 113 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (1 children)

His written orders won’t do anything either. Who knew the constitution can be so easily ripped to shreds by simply ignoring it.

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[–] [email protected] 82 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

☒ Soap box ☒ Ballot box ☒ Jury box ☐ Ammo box

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[–] [email protected] 63 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Enforce the law! Otherwise, there really is no turning back. US Democracy is dead. Fascism wins. 🇺🇸

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 hour ago

Oh brother... here we go again...

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