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THE POLICE PROBLEM

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    The police problem is that police are policed by the police. Cops are accountable only to other cops, which is no accountability at all.

    99.9999% of police brutality, corruption, and misconduct is never investigated, never punished, never makes the news, so it's not on this page.

    When cops are caught breaking the law, they're investigated by other cops. Details are kept quiet, the officers' names are withheld from public knowledge, and what info is eventually released is only what police choose to release — often nothing at all.

    When police are fired — which is all too rare — they leave with 'law enforcement experience' and can easily find work in another police department nearby. It's called "Wandering Cops."

    When police testify under oath, they lie so frequently that cops themselves have a joking term for it: "testilying." Yet it's almost unheard of for police to be punished or prosecuted for perjury.

    Cops can and do get away with lawlessness, because cops protect other cops. If they don't, they aren't cops for long.

    The legal doctrine of "qualified immunity" renders police officers invulnerable to lawsuits for almost anything they do. In practice, getting past 'qualified immunity' is so unlikely, it makes headlines when it happens.

    All this is a path to a police state.

    In a free society, police must always be under serious and skeptical public oversight, with non-cops and non-cronies in charge, issuing genuine punishment when warranted.

    Police who break the law must be prosecuted like anyone else, promptly fired if guilty, and barred from ever working in law-enforcement again.

    That's the solution.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 hours ago

I counted 24 potential officers here, some on the left might not be officers, but some might not be shown in this photo, so I'll add them in.

Chatgpt suggested the daily cost for 24 officers to stand here is $6,672/day assuming no overtime and 8 hours of "protecting".

[–] [email protected] 47 points 21 hours ago

What a completely reasonable and absolutely not wasteful use of police time and resources! "Hello, 911? My house is being robbed!" "Sorry, no officers are available because they're at the Tesla dealership"

[–] [email protected] 28 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah sure...the thin blue line is BS. The police always protect the wealthy property owners and bust up the working class. I believe Netflix has a US police history documentary and who they side with during upheavals.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 20 hours ago

the thin blue line means they won’t snitch on each other’s crimes… that’s the line they won’t cross….
which makes them literally a criminal conspiracy

[–] [email protected] 20 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

How do the police get paid again? I always forget.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 19 hours ago

Serve and Protect (the rich and their property through a taxpayer subsidy)

No one reads the fine print.

[–] [email protected] 46 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

20-some officers protecting shitty hunks of metal, when there's murderers, rapists, pedofiles, and human traffickers roaming free. This image perfectly sums up their commitment to protecting the Lifestyles of the Rich and Fascist over the rest of us.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago)

no, no, most of the pedophiles and human traffickers were standing in a neat little line with hands by their sides when this photo was taken, not roaming or doing said acts.

edit: wait, chicago, so there are probably a bunch more of them not accounted for in this picture.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

"We are not wasting tax money here!"

[–] [email protected] 9 points 20 hours ago

DOGE approved

[–] [email protected] 31 points 22 hours ago

I'd be so pissed if I lived in Chicago. What a waste of funding.

[–] [email protected] 84 points 1 day ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 41 points 1 day ago (2 children)

The Police in USA are there to protect Capital Interests. Their job to keep the status quo.

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[–] [email protected] 50 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Man, look at that pile of tax money.

So I guess, if you want to commit a real crime you just threaten the Tesla dealership then go do your business elsewhere

[–] [email protected] 6 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (2 children)

Nah, most likely Tesla money. Most often when you see police performing a "private" function like this they're being paid by the requesting party.

Just like cops escorting a funeral procession or directing traffic for a church or private school, they're paid by whoever requested the service. Police departments are like any business. They got payroll to meet, obligations to cover, etc. They can't just yank cops from their normal duties for shit like this. They use off-duty or "*retired" officers.

Say what you will about capital hiring rent-a-cops, but they're probably not doing this on our dime.

* Buddy of mine was briefly a cop, could still strap on the uniform to escort a funeral or the like.

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[–] [email protected] 85 points 1 day ago (13 children)

Police, on the wrong side of everything, since the start of time.

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[–] [email protected] 144 points 1 day ago (3 children)

You know, that's an opportunity.

Any time attention is focused on one place, there's less on another.

Take the moment and target something else.

[–] [email protected] 50 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

That would probably work if there wasn't a ridiculous overabundance of cops in just about all American cities.

As it is, there's enough of them to function as a private security force for billionaires and their property (their primary raison d'être) in greater numbers than usual like this without neglecting any of their usual oppression of minorities, poor people, and especially combinations thereof.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Unless these cops are in superposition, they can't be both protecting Tesla and, say, in their actual cars.

Their numbers are finite.

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In Minecraft. Always in Minecraft.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Their numbers are finite, yes. However, those finite numbers are much larger than they need to be and society would be much better and safer for the vast majority of people if there were almost none of them.

Not in Minecraft.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 hours ago

Brother, there's an overabundance of greedy, shitty corporate targets and storefronts, and many more of us than cops.

They can't be everywhere.

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Chicago has a pretty big police force unfortunately. Looks like around 12- 13k little piggies (source)

So about 25 cops here leaves... roughly 12- 13k cops in the rest of the city :P

ETA: fun facts, the Chicago Police Dept budget is just below $2 billion. That puts it right below Slovakia's entire military budget. Slovakia's population is ~5.5 million vs. Chicago's 2.7 million people.

Chicago alone has almost as many cops as the entirety of Ireland (which has 14.6k cops for 5.3 million Irish citizens)

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[–] [email protected] 49 points 1 day ago (6 children)

Who is going into that location to buy a car in these circumstances. That line of police is just as effective as any vandalism.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Hmm a new way to protest. Call the cops and don't show up.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago

Y'know, you raise a good point. If I was gonna go shopping somewhere and there was a line of cops outside the place I was going, I'm absolutely not going in there lol

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 19 hours ago

When you're very closed to the end-game and previously safe town areas are now spawning enemies, and the music is more ominous.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 day ago

Red rover red rover, send molotov right over

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Just have some peaceful protesters staying on the other side of the street and have them in shifts, do nothing else. Waste the police resources until they give up and leave.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

This is the way

Even more fun if they just stand there quietly holding foam bricks.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

This seems very easy. Do it over a week with people camping there and cops will realize protecting a POS is really not worth the resources.

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[–] [email protected] 53 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Protecting wealth. The rest of us can get fucked.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 17 hours ago

Class traitors. All of them.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 18 hours ago

Native here, and yeah the Chicago police union is basically its own damned shadow government. Fuck these pigs.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Bo Burnham's How the works works seems to be an appropriate anthem right now

[–] [email protected] 7 points 22 hours ago

Hmm. Did they do that for abortion clinics when they were being bombed?

[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Wasn't there a famous movie scene about nazis, cars and illinois?

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 day ago

I hate Illinois nazis

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[–] [email protected] 55 points 1 day ago (2 children)

At least they protect them from the customers too :)

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 day ago

Somehow I don't think that'll draw in customers.

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