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Top UN court orders Israel to prevent genocide in Gaza but stops short of ordering cease-fire (apnews.com)

submitted 9 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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Here is a pdf of the ICJ's Order of 26 January 2024.

For convenience, I will list the provisional orders below edited for ease of readability:

(1) The State of Israel shall, in accordance with its obligations under the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide, in relation to Palestinians in Gaza, take all measures within its power to prevent the commission of all acts within the scope of Article II of this Convention, in particular:

(a) killing members of the group;
(b) causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
(c ) deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; and
(d) imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;

(2) The State of Israel shall ensure with immediate effect that its military does not commit any acts described in point 1 above;

(3)The State of Israel shall take all measures within its power to prevent and punish the direct and public incitement to commit genocide in relation to members of the Palestinian group in the Gaza Strip;

(4) The State of Israel shall take immediate and effective measures to enable the provision of urgently needed basic services and humanitarian assistance to address the adverse conditions of life faced by Palestinians in the Gaza Strip;

(5) The State of Israel shall take effective measures to prevent the destruction and ensure the preservation of evidence related to allegations of acts within the scope of Article II and Article III of the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide against members of the Palestinian group in the Gaza Strip;

(6) The State of Israel shall submit a report to the Court on all measures taken to give effect to this Order within one month as from the date of this Order.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Stop! Or I'll say "stop" again!

[–] [email protected] 10 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Stop would be ordering Israel to not continue their war. This is more of a "feel free to continue, but behave yourself" order.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Yeah pretty much. This is one reason I thought it was a bad idea to try to base the ICJ case on "genocide," which invites quibbles about whether particular facts constitute genocide. I thought there was a much stronger case to be made highlighting particular factual war crimes which are pretty tough to factually dispute or argue aren't war crimes.

(Side note, everyone yelled at me when I did that as if it constituted somehow defending Israel. Long story short lemmy.ml isn't full of a lot of nuanced thinking on the issue.)

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I'm most interested in these specific orders:

(3)The State of Israel shall take all measures within its power to prevent and punish the direct and public incitement to commit genocide in relation to members of the Palestinian group in the Gaza Strip;

(4) The State of Israel shall take immediate and effective measures to enable the provision of urgently needed basic services and humanitarian assistance to address the adverse conditions of life faced by Palestinians in the Gaza Strip;

I wouldn't be surprised if Nethanyahu, Ben-Gvir, and Smotrich each violate #3 with impunity before the end of the day, although this could inspire switching to dog-whistles and Soprano-style doublespeak which are far more acceptable to most of the West. #4, if it has any effect, will be the difference between life and death in many cases. I'm not hugely optimistic about Israel's immediate reaction to this ruling, but if this has a significant effect on their economy they could abandon this course just like they abandoned their partnership with Apartheid South Africa when the international community turned on them.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago

Agreed. Like I was saying I wish #3 said "stop killing civilians" and "stop stealing homes." That might be easy or hard to enforce when they inevitably ignore it, but it's a lot harder to doublespeak their way out of.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago (1 children)

There is a huge reason to be skeptical of the efficacy of the ICJ. This however is an extremely high profile case with global attention in 2023 where the US is not quite as hegemonic in world affairs as it once was. This case could have an impact in some way, and I will be following it.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I hope so, yeah. I'm irritated at the ineffectiveness, not at the attempt.

[+] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 9 months ago (1 children)

This is good to keep in mind in general although I'm not sure how it's relevant here. In fact, there are the definitional points from Article II of the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide quoted by the order in the body of my post. The point of this ruling by the International Court of Justice is that there is a credible case for genocide here according to the definition of Genocide which Israel explicitly agreed to.

[+] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Yes, I could intuit your opinion on the matter. This is not a matter of public opinion, it is a matter of law.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

It really is a matter of opinion since International Law isn't really law... they're more like guidelines.

There's no enforcement mechanism. A whole bunch of countries never bothered to sign or ratify it. The US specifically is not a party to the statue that created the International Criminal Court and has plans to attack it and extract people if their citizens ever get caught up in it's processes.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago

There's no doubt that the ICJ has well-known limits in the enforcement of its decision, and countries have ignored ICJ rulings in the past (notably the US, as you mentioned). This to me is not a failing of the idea of international law regarding the prevention of genocide but a failing of nations who would rather exist in a world absent of law since they are able to use violence to inflict their will on others. The problem as I see it with this line of thinking is that abandoning the pretense of international law rather than attempting to bolster it as an international community makes all people in the world vulnerable. The status of nations who violate ICJ orders do not exist in a permanent state of their relative power and could suffer the consequences of a lack of international law when situations change and once-invulnerable bodies become vulnerable. I believe in the basis of the legal prevention of genocide by the international community.

This being so, I believe that there are other consequences for nations found plausibly guilty of heinous crimes in an official international court of law pertaining to laws partially written by the state of Israel itself. Israel depends a great deal on its international reputation. A reading of its history of strange bedfellows reveals this desperation. Being plausibly guilty of genocide is not good for Israel's relationships or economy. If Israel is concerned about outside threats, scuttling itself in the name of persecuting Palestinians is not a reasonable path. Only the far-right sensibility that Palestinians are inherently unworthy of sharing a country with European colonists keeps Israel from ending apartheid and granting Palestinians full rights as citizens of a unified state.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 9 months ago

That's talent, writing a wall of text extolling the importance of accurately labeling genocide which simultaneously minimizes a genocide. This is beehaw so I'm going to keep my mouth shut and hope Hanlon's razor explains your comment.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

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Anyone else gave a link to the PDF if the orders that loads?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Try this link:

https://www.icj-cij.org/case/192/orders

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

It says "Enable JavaScript and cookies to continue" after you click the language

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

This tech issue might be over my head. I would try a different browser to see if the problem persists but honestly at this point it's going to be a troubleshooting process.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

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THE HAGUE, Netherlands (AP) — The top U.N. court stopped short Friday of ordering a cease-fire in Gaza but demanded that Israel try to contain death and damage in its military offensive in the tiny coastal enclave.

THE HAGUE, Netherlands (AP) — The United Nations’ top court decided on Friday not to throw out genocide charges against Israel for its military offensive in Gaza, as part of a preliminary decision in a case that goes to the core of one of the world’s most intractable conflicts.

In a statement Thursday, Palestinian Prime Minister Mohammed Shtayyeh said he hoped the decision would “include immediate action to stop the aggression and genocide against our people in the Gaza Strip ... and a rapid flow of relief aid to save the hungry, wounded and sick from the threat of slow death that threatens them.”

But this time, it took the rare step of sending a high-level legal team — a sign of how seriously it regards the case and likely the fear that any court order to halt operations would be a major blow to the country’s international standing.

The genocide case strikes at the national identity of Israel, which was founded as a Jewish state after the Nazi slaughter of 6 million Jews during World War II.

Its governing party, the African National Congress, has long compared Israel’s policies in Gaza and the West Bank to its own history under the apartheid regime of white minority rule, which restricted most Black people to “homelands” before ending in 1994.

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