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[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 day ago

Only? Probably for the remaining 27% it never was...

[–] [email protected] 52 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

The French:

Ever since those fuckers voted for the insane right wing populist lunatic, they are no longer a reliable ally!!

Also the French:

Yay, Le Pen!

[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Thats the 73%/23% split explained.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

This is the only scrap of dignity I have left in my people, the fact that Russian propaganda works just as well on the French, who at their laziest could teach us a thing or two about measured responses to unwelcome politics.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 day ago (3 children)

That's crazy to me that America has changed so much that a nation they freed from Nazi control cannot consider the USA an ally any more because of the fascist ideology the trump administration is showing to the world. This all happened in like 2 months time. This is just the beginning and I don't see things getting better at all.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It's so much worse for the US

France was our first ally. After the revolutionary war, France was the first to recognize us as a country.

They were the first NATO nation to join us in the global war on terror after we invoked Article 5.

Make all the "France surrendered" jokes you want but they have given more to us than we have given them, diplomatically speaking.

Trump is just giving every ally we have a huge middle finger that will take decades to overcome. All so that Trump can feel like a big man.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Make all the "France surrendered" jokes you want

It's so weird to me that France has been a military force that has oscillated between a force to be reckoned with and the most powerful land force in the world since the 17th century, but you lose one war to a blitzkrieg with an overconfident military leadership...

[–] [email protected] 0 points 18 hours ago

How does the Foreign Legion fit into this? I honestly don't know much about how they're connected to France. But, what I do know about them is that they're badasses.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 day ago

It's not just two months.

Second gulf war, France and Germany not joining in although our soldiers were dying in Afghanistan after the US declared Article 5. US government "that is old Europe, they don't matter". US people "we should bomb Germany back into the stone age". That's when my generation became anti-US.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 22 hours ago

What they are doing to Canada is just straight up absurd but it makes sense if you think of this as a Woke vs Non-woke war not capitalism vs communism or west vs east, Jon nails it as usual:

Jon Stewart on Trump’s Heel Turn on Zelenskyy In Favor of Putin’s New World Order https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OeUZI5RnYGg

[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 day ago (1 children)

That feeling has been reflected in recent polls here in the UK too and I think the US might be finally blowing it with its 'allies'.

I hope that the Trump administration can get all its core industries up and running because there is a big sense that the US empire is on its way out now. It was always bound to happen eventually because it always does but I was not expecting to see it unravel so fast and so soon.

Perhaps the US population can resolve (or dissolve) its internal divisions and conflict but I think it will take years and Europe has urgent problems that need tackling right away.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago

β€˜allies’

these single quotes are doing some heavy lifting!

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 day ago

What percent thought of us as an ally before November?

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 day ago (4 children)

China is more trustworthy than the US right now

[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 day ago

The Chinese regime also lies through their teeth, but they are a known and rational actor.

A backstabbing, erratic β€žallyβ€œ is worse of course.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 day ago (1 children)

If they'd be willing renounce their claims to Taiwan and allow democracy in Hong Kong and Macau, maybe I could see that. Until then, same shit in more outwardly rational packaging.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

The US is no less imperialistic than China. At least China is stable and predictable.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Actually, yes. Stability-loving nationalist autocrats vs. instability-loving nationalist autocrats.

Thankfully, the real democracies don't really need to choose one or the other, as long as we stick together.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 day ago

I assumed we lost their support years ago. I thought we couldn't get more petty than "Freedom fries". I was way wrong.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It's okay France, most Americans feel the same way too

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

Lol I was gonna say, I live here and I don't really feel like they're my ally at all.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago

250 year old friend thrown away for a 100 year old adversary.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago

Pssst, France... I'm telling ya, it should be 100%.

[–] [email protected] -5 points 14 hours ago (10 children)

Dear French friends. This will be telling if we see another liberal loss in the midterms. I say you give us 2 years. If we can’t pull this shit show back. Feel free to leave us in the wind. But if we need your help to stop these people if they block elections. I hope you will be there for us when in need.

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