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Summary

Trump and Zelenskyy's confrontational Oval Office meeting advanced "mob boss foreign policy" serving Russian interests.

Trump and Vance bullied Zelenskyy when he refused their "extortionate" minerals deal or to thank them despite Trump's stated intent to reduce support for Ukraine.

Zelenskyy effectively countered their claims by noting Russia's 2014 invasion and correcting historical inaccuracies, which angered the Americans.

This represents the first openly “anti-US, anti-Western, anti-democracy foreign policy in American history.” Russians embraced it, and Putin ally and former Russian president Dmitry Medvedev celebrated the exchange.

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 2 days ago

This should have been over the second he mocked that disabled reporter, the fact that it didn't says more about America as a country than the fact that it was allowed to get HERE.

[–] [email protected] 147 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (3 children)

That was their goal. Humiliate Ukraine like he tried to humiliate Canada and Mexico. He's a bully and conman and lying, cheating, and breaking deals is how he has gotten through life and it's all he knows. He thinks that by humiliating and making other leaders feel small and helpless he can make himself look big and strong and get a better deal.

He hasn't figured out yet that dealing with sovereign countries with millions of citizens whose politicians need to answer to them, not Trump, is different that cheating a small paint store or a small architecture firm.

He's bankrupted everything he's tried to, the-art-of-the-deal and he's going to bankrupt America.

If the world works together it can bring the United States to heel.

[–] [email protected] 48 points 3 days ago

He tries to run diplomatic relations like he would be dealing with NYC mobsters. That man is entirely unsuited for office. The US population which elected him has shown to be unsuited for the leadership role they claim their country has. That’s the reality the rest of the world is facing. The US is a troubled state and an unreliable ally. Moreover, they are acting in the interests of adversarial nations to world peace and prosperity. Other nations who did that have been deemed rogue or terrorist states.

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[–] [email protected] 114 points 3 days ago (15 children)

Reality is that every other country will look down on USA for years. USA is not going to be considered trustworthy trading partner nor trustworthy ally.

[–] [email protected] 81 points 3 days ago (4 children)

And the sad part is that even if we can get our act together and pull put of this, our former allies would be justified in not getting too close, because we've demonstrated that we could just allow the morons back in at the next election to burn it all down again.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

The US always had terribly low resilience in the way their government is structured. The "checks and balances" were pretty great in the late 18th century, but their protections are paper thin and assume good faith.

Several countries have iterated upon their constitutions in the last 300 years, often to close exactly the kind of vulnerabilities we can see exploited in the US right now. For example, because of what the Weimar republic's article 48 was used for in 1933, the German president no longer has those powers.

I understand that the US constitutions had had amendments, but as far as I can tell, the fundamental flaws across several core institutions have never been addressed. Until they are, the US can not be a trustworthy partner for any endeavor longer than the next election cycle.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (6 children)

It’s frankly a much healthier strategy for our (former) allies. We’re really not all that dependable anymore. We’ve been coasting on inertia for decades.

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[–] [email protected] 58 points 3 days ago (1 children)

What matters to trump is what he makes himself feel about the event, not what actually happened. The Führer feels he was strong, therefore America strong, because he’s all that matters in the picture. Absolutely no other factors need intrude.

[–] [email protected] 42 points 3 days ago (2 children)

It's an infantile vision of what a strong man is. He's a caricature and the US is a joke as a result.

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[–] [email protected] 103 points 3 days ago (25 children)

At the time Trump built Trump Tower, Jackie Kennedy was the most famous and beloved person in New York City. Undisputed Queen of high society. Her pet project was preservation of great New York architecture. Everyone knew about her efforts to save Grand Central Station.

The building Trump razed to put up the Tower was considered one of the most beautiful on 5th Avenue. Everyone told Trump that he could preserve the façade of the building and still have a massive skyscraper on top.

So, Trump ignored everyone and demolished the building after promising to preserve parts of it.

That's the kind of idiot he has always been.

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[–] [email protected] 81 points 3 days ago (1 children)

He took away anyone's right to ever suggest a woman would be too emotional to be president lmao.

[–] [email protected] 51 points 3 days ago (2 children)

You expect Republicans to be consistent? They live for hypocrisy.

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[–] [email protected] 84 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Karens yelling at cashiers in the checkout line also think they're humiliating their victims.

[–] [email protected] 47 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (4 children)

Anyone know how fox news is spinning it to the Maga folk? I can't bring myself to look at the cancer.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 3 days ago

Zelenskyy gave Fox and interview which came off quite well.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 3 days ago (5 children)

Idk, but I've seen "Zelensky is a welfare queen asking for a handout" narrative and Zelensky is short and Donald tall so he gooder takes from the right. They are absolutely fucked in the head.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 3 days ago (10 children)

Zelenski is an ungrateful bitch who got bitch slapped by Trump and will now give the US everything trump wants because trump best!

Something like that, probably

Just to clarify: I think zelenski is an example to the world and I think it's very fair to call him the Churchill of our generation.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 days ago

And he does it on a daily basis.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 days ago

The sick fucks at Fox said Orange Numbnuts should receive the Nobel Peace Prize. Did Neville Chamberlain make the nomination list when he licked the sweat off of Hitler's sack?

[–] [email protected] 38 points 3 days ago (3 children)

The tough guy act falls pretty flat to me when if it came down to it I'm pretty sure the average 13 year old could deal with this geriatric old man. Like gramps your bones are made of glass.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 3 days ago

The US federal abomination continues its rapid deterioration

[–] [email protected] 18 points 3 days ago (4 children)

Who cares what others think of the US, it's all a facade. Regardless who's in office the world sees us as a joke. Homelessness, incarceration rates, low education, poverty, no healthcare, stagnant wages, there's a thousand things to look down on about the US other than a fanatical asshole.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 days ago (5 children)

Sure but we're all used to that. But we've never seen a President deliberately sabotage US interests in this way.

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 3 days ago (5 children)
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