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Firefox maker Mozilla deleted a promise to never sell its users' personal data and is trying to assure worried users that its approach to privacy hasn't fundamentally changed. Until recently, a Firefox FAQ promised that the browser maker never has and never will sell its users' personal data. An archived version from January 30 says:

Does Firefox sell your personal data?

Nope. Never have, never will. And we protect you from many of the advertisers who do. Firefox products are designed to protect your privacy. That's a promise.

That promise is removed from the current version. There's also a notable change in a data privacy FAQ that used to say, "Mozilla doesn't sell data about you, and we don't buy data about you."

The data privacy FAQ now explains that Mozilla is no longer making blanket promises about not selling data because some legal jurisdictions define "sale" in a very broad way:

Mozilla doesn't sell data about you (in the way that most people think about "selling data"), and we don't buy data about you. Since we strive for transparency, and the LEGAL definition of "sale of data" is extremely broad in some places, we've had to step back from making the definitive statements you know and love. We still put a lot of work into making sure that the data that we share with our partners (which we need to do to make Firefox commercially viable) is stripped of any identifying information, or shared only in the aggregate, or is put through our privacy preserving technologies (like OHTTP).

Mozilla didn't say which legal jurisdictions have these broad definitions.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 days ago (3 children)

I don't get how something is allowed to be labeled "free" when the terms of usage make you barter your data.

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I remember a time when Google wrote "Don't be evil" all over their stuff.....

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[–] [email protected] 54 points 3 days ago (4 children)

I'm about to get my tattoo removed wtf

[–] [email protected] 37 points 2 days ago

Just get "RIP" tattooed under it.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 2 days ago (5 children)

If it's really you...

Wtf?

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[–] [email protected] 40 points 2 days ago

They can't just promise they "never will" and then get rid of it. People who used the service under the original agreement should still be able to claim that benefit since it was promising to never sell it.

[–] [email protected] 77 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (39 children)

Oh for fuck's sake! List of Firefox alternatives:

Windows/Linux/MacOS:

Android:

iOS: ??

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[–] [email protected] 66 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Since we strive for transparency, and the LEGAL definition of “sale of data” is extremely broad in some places, we’ve had to step back from making the definitive statements you know and love. We still put a lot of work into making sure that the data that we share with our partners (which we need to do to make Firefox commercially viable)

So in other words we sell your data and get paid for it, and some countries won't let us lie about it.

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[–] [email protected] 50 points 3 days ago (1 children)

promises don't count if you delete them. everyone knows that

[–] [email protected] 29 points 3 days ago (2 children)

"If I put my wedding ring in my pocket, it's not cheating..."

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[–] [email protected] 42 points 2 days ago

That clarification is not making me calm

[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 days ago (3 children)

I mean you could argue that them defaulting to Google search is already them selling your data. Google definitely pay them for that.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 days ago (5 children)

I use brave and librewolf, anybody know if those are still safe from this dort of thing? (Probably not I guess, so what browsers are left?)

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 days ago

Librewolf is privacy-hardened so it's probably the best option. Brave is Chromium-based. Realistically though, all web browsers come with compromises, and internet anonymity is virtually impossible without unrealistic amounts of effort.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Someone earlier said that brave was based on chrome and when google blocked ublock origin on Chrome, it would stop working on brave too.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

People don't like Brave because they believe it's a crypto scam, and the CEO is a douchebag. But Brave has said they'll continue to support extensions regardless of Google's change.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 days ago (5 children)

Don't forget the CEO's worst crime: he's the inventor of javascript

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 days ago

Clearly not someone you can trust.

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Mozilla is trying to increase their revenue by doing everything other than improving Firefox

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

I haven't been presented with any Ts and C's. Do they apply if I already installed Firefox before this?

[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 days ago (12 children)

Gahhhh this is horrible

I spent some time switching to Librewolf this morning but at the end of the day, it having Firefox as the upstream means it’s all fragile and tenuous anyway

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 days ago (8 children)

Son of a bitch I just got back into Firefox.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Get in loser, we’re going to librewolf apparently. Fuck me I’ve reached the age of seeing all the things I like die. I don’t even remember a time I didn’t use Firefox. God damn it

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 days ago

~~Don’t~~ be evil

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

please pay me if you want to sell my data. At the end of the day I am a business and need to cover operating cost.

Is there an open source tool to generate fake user activity data for Firefox to consume?

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