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The Trump administration has begun flying undocumented immigrants from the US to a military detention facility at Guantánamo Bay in Cuba, the White House press secretary, Karoline Leavitt, said on Tuesday.

Leavitt told Fox Business Network that at least two deportation flights were “under way”, but gave no further details.

Her comments, however, appeared to confirm reporting by the Wall Street Journal, citing an anonymous official with knowledge of the operation, that about a dozen immigrants were onboard one flight from Fort Bliss, Texas. The newspaper said an additional flight had departed on Monday.

CNN later reported one of the flights had “about nine or 10” people onboard who were detained in the US without valid immigration documents.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 minutes ago* (last edited 5 minutes ago)

ive been seeing some supposed marxists spreading a narrative that the deportations havent actually increased with trump, that he's just been advertising what was already going on in previous governments, to please his supporters.

Is this thing of sending immigrants to guantanamo a new thing? are the deportations worse than before? is the narrative i mentioned a big distortion of reality?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 13 minutes ago)

To my fellow Americans:

You may think you are above this and since you voted you are guilt free but today, and every other day since the election, you are MAGA and no one watching from the outside will take the time to ask who you voted for.

If you think you are powerless you're wrong, your power just isn't concentrated into a swimming pool of $ signs. You can do more then vote, you can elevate your brother. Everyday, you can elevate someone you know who will fight for your cause. At the grocery, you can let them in line in front of you, on the highway you can let them pass, in the town hall you can let them speak, every day you have the power to lift up those around you.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Yesterday, inspired by the news about mass depaorations, i watched a documentary on the Final Solution.

Among a lot of interesting things, one thing stood out to me: The original Nazis were afraid that the german people would not only reject genocide, but also reject the idea of jews (aka. their neighbors) being sent to brutal labor camps.
So they produced propaganda movies depicting the city Theresienstadt as a spa town. And then told the public that the jews would be sent there to be protected from the increasingly antisemitic public.

To lull victims into a false sense of security, the SS advertised Theresienstadt as a "spa town" where Jews could retire, and encouraged them to sign fraudulent home purchase contracts, pay "deposits" for rent and board, and surrender life insurance policies and other assets.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theresienstadt_Ghetto

Nowadays, you can just tell the american people:

Hey, we are gonna send your neighbors to a torture camp. Great camp. Lovely camp. Most brutal camp of the world.

And they are like: Yessss, finally a solution to the migrant question.

I can also recommend Life Under Adolf Hitler: The First Years Of Nazi Germany.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 hours ago

I feel like a lot of blunders hinge on underestimating how racist the average person is.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

I am almost done migrating away from all US businesses as a result of this. I am even drinking freeway cola 😅

I work in IT as a freelance DevOps/Cloud engineer and am advising all my clients to migrate away from AWS etc.

Even sold most of S&P 500 and reinvested into an all-world ex-US ETF.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 hours ago

Thank you for your service

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Heyy !

Just curious what you recommend your clients now ?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

This is a good start:

https://european-alternatives.eu/

Mostly moving to hetzner. It's a bit rough around the edges but works.

One big thing missing is there is no good and affordable WAF. Myra is good but costs at least 10k/month.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Has the Orange Turd installed the ovens yet?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

They'll do when they realize that's the only way to fit 30,000 immigrants into a torture camp that can hold < 1000 inmates.

By May 2003, the Guantanamo Bay detention camp had grown into a larger and more permanent facility that housed over 680 prisoners, the vast majority without formal charges.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guantanamo_Bay_detention_camp

[–] [email protected] 148 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

The correct name is concentration camp. it is very important that people understand that this is a concentration camp.

The term "concentration camp" and "internment camp" are used to refer to a variety of systems that greatly differ in their severity, mortality rate, and architecture; their defining characteristic is that inmates are held outside the rule of law.[2] Extermination camps or death camps, whose primary purpose is killing, are also imprecisely referred to as "concentration camps".[3]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concentration_camp

the new death camps outside of Germany's prewar borders could be kept secret from the German civil populace.[40]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extermination_camp

The fact that this camp is being set up outside the jurisdiction of the rule of law makes it a concentration camp and makes it 100x worse than any other immigration prison

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 hours ago (3 children)

Is Guantanamo considered “outside the rule of law”? Hopefully journalists will be allowed there to report freely in the treatment and conditions.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 hour ago

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guantanamo_Bay_detention_camp

the U.S. Department of Justice claimed that habeas corpus—a legal recourse against unlawful detention—did not apply to Guantanamo Bay because it was outside of U.S. territory.

The Bush administration maintained that it was not obliged to grant prisoners basic protections under the U.S. Constitution or the Geneva Conventions, since the former did not extend to foreign soil and the latter did not apply to "unlawful enemy combatants". Various humanitarian and legal advocacy groups claimed that these policies were unconstitutional and violated international human rights law;[5][6] several landmark U.S. Supreme Court decisions found that detainees had rights to due process and habeas corpus but were still subject to military tribunals, which remain controversial for allegedly lacking impartiality, independence, and judicial efficiency.[7][8]

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago

They absolutely should be allowed to. It is an American basd and the rights of the prisoners there must be upheld and monitored.

[–] [email protected] 116 points 19 hours ago (11 children)

Sure would have been nice if Obama or Biden had actually closed Guantanamo Bay when they had the chance.

I liked to find silver linings where I can, and what I'm hoping is that when the shambles of the American government finally get back into Democratic hands (or whatever opposition party replaces them, at this point) there will finally be a realization that actual for real change is needed. Democratic politicians have been just treading water for decades now.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (1 children)

I'm not American so I could be way off but didn't they try but were blocked by Republicans? At the very least they reduced the count of inmates to only the more complicated ones (ie. where do they get sent to, what do we, do we completely fried this guys brain, etc)

[–] [email protected] 18 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

Yeah I remember Obama wanted to close it, but then the big question of where to move the prisoners to in the US had to be answered, and nobody wanted to hold them. It was politically dead at that point.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

From what I recall about the reasoning behind abandoning the idea of closing Guantanamo Bay, the only options were releasing them in central park or keeping them in Guantanamo Bay.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 16 minutes ago

I could definitely see that being a right wing talking point at the time.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Obama could have pardoned the prisoners and apologized for holding them for many years without trial, in blatant violation of the plain text in the US Constitution.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Non-citizens detained in war don't have the same rights as US citizens.

Some of those people were guilty and should have been tried and jailed here (provided they could safely be held here).

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Some of those people were guilty and should have been tried and jailed here

if so, why weren't they tried and sentenced?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Because placing them in Guantanamo meant no one had to actually figure out where/how to house these people safely.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Isn't that what jails are for? in USA you have a ton of those I hear... if these people were guilty of anything, surely there would be zero trouble charging them (specially in the Kangaroo Military courts of the USA). Once convicted you can put them in any jail of your liking

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Yes, and keeping these people safe in US federal prisons was going to be difficult. Many of them would have been murdered/assaulted due to how poorly the US manages the prison system.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

So instead they are kept uncharged and untried forever in Guantanamo??? where they are nicely safe and comfortable and not being tortured at all? for THEIR safety? got it

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

“Because placing them in Guantanamo meant no one had to actually figure out where/how to house these people safely.”

I refer you back to my initial comment

[–] [email protected] 1 points 52 minutes ago

confirming circular logic is circular... got it

[–] [email protected] -1 points 4 hours ago

Biden's administration used the camps Trump created to deport people.

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