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There is no rule of law, then what are we doing here? Why are we playing ball?

Ok, MAGA wants to burn it down. Good for MAGA, they still don't get to decide for everyone.

I won't be able to do this for long. Why aren't we in the streets? What's so great about your life that authoritarian rule is not a threat to you?

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Because the state has a monopoly of violence.

The only thing stopping me from just robbing food from a chain corporate store and redistrubuting it to everyone is the potential of going to prison (or getting shot on the scene by pigs).

Same thing with taxes.

I won’t be able to do this for long. Why aren’t we in the streets? What’s so great about your life that authoritarian rule is not a threat to you?

Ask anyone in an authoritarian country (that was already authorian before 2025).

One of the answer is: No one would take risks until there is nothing left to lose. Most people are not brave enough to take action (including me 😓 I'm afraid of the authorities). Survival instincts would overrule any desire to resist, its just the nature of living beings. It takes a lot of courage to even go to a protest, and much much more courage to revolt. There's a scale between a peaceful protest and a revolt. Not paying taxes is leaning 90% towards the side of revolt.

And many people still view the US as a full democracy, they don't see the backsliding and regression to a hybrid regime (or are in denial about it), and eventually, authoritarianism.

Some people are still trying to just "wait it out" until the next election. I'm not saying that this is right or wrong, but that's just some people's view on the trump situation.

As a Chinese-American, I'm particularly afraid that by attending a protest, if I get arrested, they would start blaming, not just Chinese-Americans, but also the entire Asian-American community.

Can you imagine how much more fucked this timeline would be, if the trump shooter was a black person, or hispanic person, or asian person, or some other non-white racial/ethnic group? (Or LGBT+, or any identity that's not a Republican Straight White Person) Magats would be rioting and burning down places. We'd have a "Bleeding Kansas" right now.

And its even harder for Asian Americans to find the courage to go protest, because there is often a lack of Asian American solidarity, where as Black Americans tend to have a stronger bond with each other in their community. Black American communities would encourage each other to take a stand, while Asian Americans don't have as strong of the sense of community. (I mean, I would get called a "chng chng" in class, and my classmates who are US-born kids of Chinese ethnicity, would just sit there and watch me get bullied, like wtf dude?!? stand up for your bros/sis)

TLDR: Most US Americans are just "waiting for the next election", because direct action is very risky.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 minutes ago* (last edited 2 minutes ago)

We are probably past the point where any sort of small conflict or skirmish can change anything. We need to think how we can establish a long term, sustained, counter to what the trumples are doing.

This is just an example, but another poster wanted to say this is all a conflict of country vs city. Suppose that's true, well then we a clear path to solving it. If rural people can attack city folks politically, there are certainly ways we can retaliate. Rural people are so isolated they have no idea how much they depend on the manufacturing and industry residing in cities. That doesn't have to be the end of it either. We can leave the urban centers and do work from home or get by through other means.

These are just examples of how we need to be thinking. We tried really hard to change the laws that oppress people and what resulted was an attack on equity and people who believe in it. We need to regroup, understanding the law has never been on our side, and form new strategies that accomplish the same goals.

The last thing we should do is abandon our beliefs.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Because the IRS doesn't come for the wealthy who cheat. They come for the typical who cheat. And you know the IRS under Trump is gonna squeeze the lower classes like a beast.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 11 hours ago

Weird definition of the word cheat

[–] [email protected] 73 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

If you refuse to pay and convince enough other people to refuse to pay, then well congrats. You just started a revolution.

Why aren't we in the streets?

As someone watching from outside, I seriously have no idea.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (3 children)

Because we have no community because we're worked like slaves, and nobody can save in this economy.

So anyone who stops working has a few months before becoming homeless, and will have no support system

[–] [email protected] 9 points 11 hours ago

It’s no coincidence that employers have started demanding everyone work from an office lately. If you’re commuting back and forth and everything with it you’ll have a lot less time and energy to fight back.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 hours ago

Also culture war bullshit to keep people distracted and divided.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 12 hours ago

And it was designed that way.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

why aren’t we in the streets?

looks out window to street covered in protestors

But the reason not everyone is because mainly the middle and upper middle classes are still content enough, even if they hate trump. I don’t like him, but my living conditions are still very good. It’s a status quo I’m fine with

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (1 children)

Those conditions are becoming less and less. Sure you might sleep well tonight but the second your maimed driving your polution machine you're a burden on a system that no longer cares.

Say you make it to old age. A few more raids on the stock market and your 401k disappears and when you go to cash your social security it's been drained since 2025.

Your future was just stolen from you and you don't even know it yet.

No worries you raised a family, surely they will care for you. Except there is so much generational resentment they want nothing to do with you. Say you were good to them and they love you. Even then your fucked because elon took college grants and blew up the department of education. Now they are scrapping by because you didn't have the money to bank roll them through private school and college.

Your twilight years which were suppose to be spent playing every game in your steam library while hooked up to an oculus rift have been replaced with waiting at Costco in the bread line and giving blowies so you can buy 30 minutes at the local PC bang to play overwatch 3.

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[–] [email protected] 38 points 16 hours ago (9 children)

Honestly - set your paycheck withholding to zero, hope others do the same to defund the government... and when tax day comes next year double check if the IRS still exists before submitting your payment.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

That's quite the hope to risk prison for on someone else's advice.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 hours ago

I don't think you'll want to risk prison time, especially when you risk being locked up alongside MS-13 gang members.

Trump has agreed a deal with Nayib Bukele that will effectively allow him to deport illegal immigrants of any nationality to El Salvador and transfer US prisoners to their facilities.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (4 children)

100% doing this.

I'll be an old man telling 16 year olds to withold 0 and create a savings account for tax day sounding like a depression era grandma telling you to reuse the trash bags.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 hours ago

Just so you know, you will likely face underpayment penalties doing this.

I suggest you avoid giving 16 year olds tax advice.

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[–] [email protected] 77 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

You are free to do whatever you want to do, however, there are consequences to your actions. If you believe that the US government will collapse and there will be no one to start garnishing your wages when you don't report your taxes, then by all means, stop paying them.

Your reaction is "reactionary", though. You come across as though you are looking for a reason to not pay taxes, and you think you've found one. Instead, you should be looking for ways to correct the problems you see. If you don't like Musk, then find ways to undermine him. Refusal to pay your taxes isn't it, though.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 19 hours ago (4 children)

There is a whole government infrastructure in place to prevent musk which he has usurped. Why is it on me, and me alone?

[–] [email protected] 40 points 19 hours ago (3 children)

You are giving false equivalency arguments. You are equating Musk's abilities to some direct link in your taxes, as though the 25% you pay each paycheck is funding him. It isn't. It is still funding garbage collection, national parks, welfare programs, and other critical infrastructure. Your taxes haven't started going to new places. They are doing the exact same thing they have always done. You are being reactionary, and it comes off like you are either 15 years old and just learning about taxation, or 55 and learning about Libertarianism. Get a grip on yourself, realise that there is still work to be done, and being an infant about this shit isn't doing anything but wasting people's fucking time. If you don't want to pay taxes, don't. But don't lie and say it's about Musk. It's selfishness. It's because you can't manage what money you have, and you think that little bit extra is going to make a difference. It won't, though. You'll still be broke because you spent all your money on weed and black light posters.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 13 hours ago

I was with you but if you're calling out logical fallacies your ad homenims are a little much against the guy, who I agree, sounds 15 or a 55 sovcit.

The majority of your post is valid though, outside of the personal attacks.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 17 hours ago

You are not alone. You have the ability to make positive change. If you would wish to have a larger impact, organize, find strength with those in your community and it will grow.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (1 children)

You're definitely not the only person proposing your course of action. By the way, it would be silly for me to refrain from filing taxes since I'm likely to get a small refund. From your own reasoning, why would I want the government to keep my money even longer interest free? In that case, I absolutely should file my taxes to take the money away from them.

ETA: As far as paying taxes in your paycheck, just talk to your employer and change your W-4 to the lowest payout. Your employer is required to withhold some of it for taxes, so talk to your employer if you want to pay absolutely zero on payday (and they will likely say no). Obviously that all varies depending on your employment arrangement, but it generally holds up.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 hours ago

It wouldn't be so sure about getting that refund

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago)

If you believe that the US government will collapse and there will be no one to start garnishing your wages when you don't report your taxes, then by all means, stop paying them.

Of course if that happens your dollars won't be worth anything anyway.

Aren't you glad you held onto them?

[–] [email protected] 25 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (12 children)

Does it matter who has the monopoly on violence, if you don't? Ultimately, you pay taxes because if you refuse to for long enough, burly men with guns will eventually take your stuff and lock you up.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Because not paying your taxes will draw attention from what remains of the system. I'm not thrilled about paying taxes to the dead and looted corpse of our government, but it's better to stay under the radar.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Stay under the radar for what? Praying I'm not next? So I can continue an unfulfilled life as a wage slave and blink out of existence having learned or felt nothing of importance?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 15 hours ago

Legit point.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 18 hours ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 11 points 18 hours ago (6 children)

We are all getting bonked. Our future is being robbed right out from under us.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 19 hours ago (3 children)

I have money and I'm not comfortable in prison. That's why.

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