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Outrage over Elon Musk ‘Nazi salute’ at Trump inauguration (www.nzherald.co.nz)
submitted 1 day ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]
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[–] [email protected] 88 points 1 day ago (4 children)

cheers to the NZ Herald for calling a spade a spade

the cowards at the "paper of record" NY Times went with "Elon Musk Ignites Online Speculation Over the Meaning of a Hand Gesture"

BBC: Elon Musk's gesture at Trump rally draws scrutiny

The Guardian: Elon Musk appears to make back-to-back fascist salutes at inauguration rally

if Trump shot someone on 5th Ave these fucking lickspittles would probably give it a "President-involved shooting ignites debate over the limits of executive power" headline

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 day ago

Addin NZ Herald to my RSS.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago (2 children)

The conversation is still about this clip and not the actual policy, though.

Which I'm sure pisses Trump off, so there is that, but it maybe shows the press hasn't learned anything. And it's too late for the US, but there is still a far right surge to contain back in civilization, so it's about time they figure it out.

Note that I'm not including the UK there, Labour government or not. That BBC headline is at least as shocking as the event itself.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 day ago (1 children)

nah that's how you flood the zone. it's what the camp has being doing for years. announce something batsoot insane, do some publicity stunt that's also kinda insane to drone out said thing, finish the announced thing, rinse and repeat. Musk learned it when he changed the then–Twitter logo to a Doge to flood against Epstein-related allegations.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

It is definitely standard MO, and both press and online chatter are letting them get away with it, with no indication that will ever change so far.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I wonder if the US comes back from this, launches into a long series of progressive changes in the world's biggest pendulum swing in centuries, and then all of Europe hits this fascist path it's already starting in on, will Americans say snide things like "back in civilization"? Or will we know better?

Probably not.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I mean, US conservatives are still mocking the French as cowardly, collaborationist and militarily ineffective on account of WW2, so if any of them need a ladder to get down from any high horses they may be stuck on I think I have one in the back.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

See, your mistake is actually giving a damn what conservatives think.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I don't. Don't much give a damn what Americans think, either, assuming there's a distinction to be made there.

At this point I'm camp decoupling. If they want their nationalism so bad they can have it. Quietly, if at all possible.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It won't be quiet. It won't be clean. It'll be messy and painful for just about everyone.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

Sure. It'll just be messy and painful for me a few weeks after the people who caused all this, so I intend to enjoy them.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

Didn't Trump say he could do as much and get away with it?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

If Daniel Penny had reasonable doubt of intentionally choking that homeless guy to death, then Musk definitely had reasonable doubt of intentionally doing the Nazi salute.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Just going to leave this right here:

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 day ago (2 children)

It’s amazing how quickly they were able to burn all of their credibility in the past few years.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 day ago (1 children)
  • Octopus: Antisemitic
  • "Ok" hand gesture: Antisemitic
  • Not buying a SodaStream: Antisemetic
  • Nazi salute: Hey let's not misinterpret this one!
[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Not buying a SodaStream: Antisemetic

I think I need context for this.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 day ago (1 children)

SodaStream is a target of the pro-Palestine BDS movement.

Zionists, like the freaks they are, say that being pro-Palestine is equivalent to antisemitism. Presumably that comment refers to Zionists who view buying a SodaStream as a badge of honor or act of nobility, though I personally haven’t seen anyone say that outright.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Man, I needed a reminder on what SodaStream even was, I assumed they went bankrupt years ago. Thanks for the context.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago

I've had one for years, and always have cold water in the fridge ready to make sparkling water.

And my energy company is Octopus!

Didn't realise that all this time I'd been a Nazi 🤔

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago

adl and credibility lmao

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 day ago

Fuck that and the fuck the ADL. There is no unity to be had with fascists.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 day ago

Not an American so I don't really know ADL, but while it's important to listen closely to organisations working against racism, they're not always right and don't have the final say in all matters.

Elon heiled for everyone to see.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago

The ADL also thinks gluing coins to the road is a hate symbol. Not worth taking them seriously.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago

They are making the most as the spiritual successor of the Verband Nationaldeutscher Juden.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Said on Mastodon, will repeat here:

This is the least surprising thing since that thing that wasn't very surprising.

To every Yankee reading this, I just hope you guys are like. Safe. Shit's gonna hit the mega fan over there it seems.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Get me out.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I am legally mandated (it's in my country's constitution I'm pretty sure) to say "come to Brazil" in response to that.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago

My Portuguese is shit, but I'll learn..

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Isn't it really dangerous in Brazil if you like accidentally go in a favela or something? Or is that just in Rio?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The most "dangerous" cities are Rio, São Paulo, and Salvador. But the thing about the lethality of those cities? Most of the people who are dying aren't foreign expats like you, it's the inhabitants of the samesuch poor areas, surrounded by mobsters and having to just deal with that on a day to day basis.

For everyone else? The big urban centers are dangerous to your property. Be careless and you will be mugged. Not pickpocketed. Mugged.

But at the same time Brazil is a pretty large place with lots of different cities. I've lived in a medium-to-large city (and NOT one of the famous ones Gringos would know) my entire life and been mugged... Twice. In thirty years. Both were harmless other than the loss of my cell phone.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I'll be honest, your country is really beautiful. I'll probably want to visit it one day. Not sure I'd ever want to live there though - twice in 30 years is already way more than anyone I know here in Estonia, where muggings haven't really been a thing since the 90s. I'm way too used to my safe cocoon lol

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago (2 children)

That's fair, but isn't Estonia like

An exceptionally nice place to live?

I would wager that for an american coming from like. NY, or Detroit, Brazil would be outright comfy by comparison.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 23 hours ago

Hmm, I don't know if it's exceptionally nice, but it's definitely nice. I've also visited NYC. Didn't feel unsafe at any point, though of course I didn't wander too far out. Walked a bunch around Manhattan and Brooklyn, took the subway a couple of times.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I don't think the US is as bad (in this respect) as media would have you believe. Having grown up in a relatively large dwindling industrial city in the Midwest, visited Chicago very regularly for a time, lived in the southeast, and now in one of the cities often cited as 'crime ridden', I know one person who was mugged and they knew their assailants and it was in my hometown which no one would recognize.

I have friends from St. Louis and Detroit, some of the percieved 'most dangerous' cities here. While they recommend caution or street sense when I visit, I haven't experienced anything but kindness or indifference from strangers. On the other hand, one of my friends was hit and killed by a car in Detroit, and when I left town in the southeast once, saw a bunch of white power banners on someone's house, which is kinda a promise of crime.

None of this is to say I think the US is better than Brazil or Estonia or anywhere else, I've got endless criticism for this country. I mean that the crime reported on is usually exaggerated, and the likelyhood of experiencing the crime that does happen increases as the money you have decreases.

And not to make this even longer, but the people with the means to move to another state much less another country are the wealthy. The poor, who are the ones who might benefit most from moving, are unable to, trapped in the cycle here.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

And not to make this even longer, but the people with the means to move to another state much less another country are the wealthy. The poor, who are the ones who might benefit most from moving, are unable to, trapped in the cycle here.

I will say you are mostly right, but also note that all the refugees that have been going everywhere (including into Brazil! We get lots of Haitian and Colombian refugees mostly) since before I was born were exceptionally poor people.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

I've wondered through favelas in Rio. Nice people, tasty snacks, fine views (they are on hillsides), some great music. But that was over a decade ago, I heard situation got worse again during Temer/Bolso time, hope it's improving now.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago

God I want to