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[–] [email protected] 132 points 10 months ago (31 children)

If grandpa's still voting R, he's voting for the fascists of the 21st century.

If you want to know what you would've done living in Germany in the 1930's...

[–] [email protected] 31 points 10 months ago (5 children)

Plenty of people who go to the shooting range vote D

[–] [email protected] 18 points 10 months ago

Hence the inclusion of the word "if ".

[–] [email protected] 10 points 10 months ago

I think people would be surprised how many liberal gun owners are out there (including myself). The difference is we don't worship guns like the lunatics on the right.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 10 months ago

Hell yeah. Give me that big phat D.

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[–] [email protected] 107 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Grandpa won't need to go to Germany for round 3 with the NAZIs. They are right around the corner wearing MAGA hats.

[–] [email protected] 49 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Generous to presume that Grandpa isn't one of them.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Germany will go to the US to fight Nazism, sounds about right.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago

Unfortunately not that big of a twist. It wasn't until wartime that the US fully turned its back on the Nazis, they had an uncomfortably huge amount of support in America.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

Yep, was thinking he checks the box next to the (R) on the ballot. Older,boomer generation, into guns pushes the odds strongly in that direction.

E: typo

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[–] [email protected] 59 points 10 months ago

Those MAGA folks might be the more immediate threat.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Well, Fascism is on the rise in Germany (and pretty much everywhere else).... Makes me incredibly sad and frustrated to see what's currently happening

[–] [email protected] 23 points 10 months ago (1 children)

It's as if people have learned absolutely nothing from the past; not even the Germans. It's enough to make you cry.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 10 months ago (2 children)

There is a set of grievances and motivations the bigots have that are not being addressed.

And no one has come up with an effective counter strategy to the fascist manipulation playbook yet.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Yes, that's the thing. I find it terribly frustrating that the same old playbook still works with all its pamphlet-like explanations, its false accusations and its pretended messiah logic: "It's the foreigners' fault that you can't find job; a strong leader will stand up for you and save us all if you just follow him unconditionally" and so on and so forth. It simply boggles my mind how people can still believe that - in Germany, with its terrible Nazi past, just as much as in America, where an obviously criminal billionaire pretends to care about those left behind and dissatisfied. It's almost as if people want to be exploited and instrumentalized against their own interests. I don't get it.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago (4 children)

🤔🤔🤔

Having hung around them before, I think it's because what tyrants actually promise them is the right to be openly hateful without consequence. See, they believe drivel about how people different from them are the cause of their problems long before fascism shows up; they were always bigots and likely always will be. The fascists simply mirror their thoughts, speech and behaviors openly, making the followers feel safe to express shit they already believed.

It's not the fascist leaders that are responsible, it's the people for thinking the way that they do.

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 10 months ago

Plot twist: he is German.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 10 months ago

Based antifascist grandpa

[–] [email protected] 27 points 10 months ago (2 children)

ITT: weirdly a lot of people assuming that Grandpa votes Republican based on nothing besides his age and love of guns

[–] [email protected] 18 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Dude looks and acts exactly like my great grandfather who served in the navy kn WWII. He was a dyed-in-the-wool Democrat and hated Republicans until he died in 2017.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 10 months ago (2 children)

"In case they want round three, so we can waltz in years late and claim victory, then spend decades destabilising the planet for profit oooooeeeeeee"

[–] [email protected] 39 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (17 children)

This kind of "America did nothing in WW2" rhetoric is almost as r-word'ed as "America soloed WW2." You're an idiot if you think America was "years late" and didn't play a huge role in the European front. Not even to address the Pacific Theatre.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 10 months ago (8 children)

Even prior to direct military entry, the US was providing mass amounts of aid to fight the Axis. We were giving the UK destroyers, arms, and ammunition immediately after the Nazi invasion of Poland, gave billions to China to help fight the Japanese invasion, and started arming the Soviet Union under the Lend-Lease as soon as Germany invaded them.

We also deployed to Iceland to take over the Brits’ post there so they could free up troops to the mainland.

Even ignoring the European front, which is stupid, the US was instrumental in the African front and neutralizing Italy.

But nah, the US kicking ass and stacking bodies on 3 different fronts wasn’t important to winning the war. Nope.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 10 months ago (4 children)

I lived in Russia, and in History class I was taught that Stalin singlehandedly showed up to save those poor helpless Europeans from bloody nazis, because it was the right thing to do.

When I loved in Europe, it were the Jewish partisans who won WW2 through brain drain on Germany, and the stupid Nazis killed themselves.

In the US I found out that the thing in Europe was typical Medieval European Kingdoms in a fight, and the real high-tech stuff was in the Pacific.

Now as a programmer, I know who truly won WW2: it was our legendary bro Alan all along.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 10 months ago (1 children)

WW2 was won with British Intelligence, American steel and Russian blood.

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 10 months ago (2 children)

If he trains to shoot Nazis, he should just pin a MAGA cap to his range target.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 10 months ago

The gun mount only turns 45°.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 10 months ago

Grandpa may not like fascists. Don't make assumptions.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

When I was a little kid I asked my grandfather one time what it was like to “fight evil”. His response was something along the lines of “I didn’t fight evil. They were just a bunch of scared kids doing what they were told. Just like me.”

My grandfather fought in Europe, but Japan was still what kicked off WWII. So, I was super nervous about bringing home the woman that would become my first wife for the first time. Her family was from Okinawa.

When we got there he sat down at the kitchen table and talked to her for a long time. I was in and out doing stuff for the dinner, but they looked happy enough. Later that day he caught me outside and gave me a hug. He told me that she was a good woman and I’d be crazy if I didn’t marry her.

I really miss my grandfather. He was mostly a good dude.

Here’s a picture of him during the battle of the bulge. It’s from a book I have, but this picture was originally published in “Yank” magazine. The original clipping sat over his chair in the living room my entire life.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 10 months ago (8 children)

Respect, going to the range can be a family experience.

Not so sure about Germany round 3 though.

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