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Hi all, last night, a post from last year from my personal X account suddenly became a topic of discussion here on Reddit. I want to share a few thoughts on this to provide clarity to the community on what is Proton's policy on politics going forward.

First, while the X post was not intended to be a political statement, I can understand how it can be interpreted as such, and it therefore should not have been made. While we will not prohibit all employees from expressing personal political opinions publicly, it is something I will personally avoid in the future. I lean left on some issues, and right on other issues, but it doesn't serve our mission to publicly debate this. It should be obvious, but I will say that it is a false equivalence to say that agreeing with Republicans on one specific issue (antitrust enforcement to protect small companies) is equal to endorsing the entire Republican party platform.

Second, officially Proton must always be politically neutral, and while we may share facts and analysis, our policy going forward will be to share no opinions of a political nature. The line between facts, analysis, and opinions can be blurry at times, but we will seek to better clarify this over time through your feedback and input.

The exception to these rules is on the topics of privacy, security, and freedom. These are necessarily political topics, where influencing public policy to defend these values, often requires engaging politically.

The operations of Proton have always reflected our neutrality. For example, recently we refused pressure to deplatform both Palestinian student groups and Zionist student groups, not because we necessarily agreed with their views, but because we believe more strongly in their right to have their own views.

It is also a legal guarantee under Swiss law, which explicitly prohibits us from assisting foreign governments or agencies, and allows us no discretion to show favoritism as Swiss law and Swiss courts have the final say.

The promise we make is that no matter your politics, you will always be welcome at Proton (subject of course to adherence to our terms and conditions). When it comes to defending your right to privacy, Proton will show no favoritism or bias, and will unconditionally defend it irrespective of the opinions you may hold.

This is because both Proton as a company, and Proton as a community, is highly diverse, with people that hold a wide range of opinions and perspectives. It's important that we not lose sight of nuance. Agreeing/disagreeing with somebody on one point, rarely means you agree/disagree with them on every other point.

I would like to believe that as a community there is more that unites us than divides us, and that privacy and freedom are universal values that we can all agree upon. This continues to be the mission of the non-profit Proton Foundation, and we will strive to carry it out as neutrally as possible.

Going forward, I will be posting via u/andy1011000. Thank you for your feedback and inputs so far, and we look forward to continuing the conversation.

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[–] [email protected] 48 points 1 day ago (2 children)

If an employee did this and there was this much backlash that said employee would be promptly fired....

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 day ago (1 children)

In the US maybe, in the EU? Only if you want to get sued and then forced to re-hire them.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 22 hours ago

He isn't an employee tho, he's a member of a board of trustees of the non-profit organization who owns Proton AG. The other board members could say that he's veering off-couse from the mission of the non-profit and remove him. (But then this move could also angers the right-wing "libertarian" tech-bro types of people that use Proton. So this political debacle was gonna fuck up the trust in Proton either way, Andy should've just STFU to begin with.)

[–] [email protected] 6 points 22 hours ago

I'm not sure about that. There are a lot of right wingers who also use proton (ya know, like the right wing "libertarian" tech-bro types). If they remove Andy from the board, there no doubt Proton is getting labeled as "woke", they lose either way. Honestly, making political comments in the first place, is just a no-win scenario for a privacy-focused mission, which wasn't even that left-right partisan to begin with. He should have just STFU, and everything would be fine.

[–] [email protected] 135 points 1 day ago (11 children)

Trouble is Andy, we now know what you privately think and all the follow up statements in the world can't put that genie back in the bottle.

Proton is an org that exists in an industry whose customers do not trust easily. Publicly aligning with someone utterly untrustable, either as an individual or as a board, has tainted Proton and adversely affected peoples ability to trust. How can we ever know when Proton will find it acceptable again to respond positively to a Trumpian decision or how it might affect our privacy?

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[–] [email protected] 82 points 1 day ago (2 children)

agreeing with Republicans on one specific issue (antitrust enforcement to protect small companies)

Where is he getting this bullshit from that republicans actually want to do antitrust lol

[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 day ago

from https://lemmy.ca/comment/13913116

Two bills were ready, with bipartisan support. Chuck Schumer (who coincidently has two daughters working as big tech lobbyists) refused to bring the bills for a vote.

At a 2024 event covering antitrust remedies, out of all the invited senators, just a single one showed up - JD Vance. 

Chuck Schumer is democrat, JD Vance is republic. Would guess opinion based on personal experience with few people.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (2 children)

You can tell Andy is European because he does not understand American politics.

If you say anything positive about an American politician it means you will stan them for life and support all their actions unconditionally.

Likewise if you say anything negative about an American politician it means you hate everything they stand for.

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 day ago

I'm still confused how he could have been dumb enough to think, let alone imply, let alone say out loud, that Republicans want to reign in big tech, when they so transparently want to capture it and make it an even worse version of itself. It's not that everything they do is a cynical power grab, it's that everything they do is a blatant cynical power grab, and being in the privacy business without having a perfectly clear understanding of that feels equivalent to not knowing what a VPN is.

His statement here is great, and I support it whole-heartedly and unabashedly. It just feels almost...I don't know, unrelated somehow? Even though ostensibly it isn't.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 13 hours ago

Those calfs are looking amazing right now!!!

[–] [email protected] 8 points 21 hours ago (2 children)

Almost without fail, every service that touches creeptocurrencies goes into a decline.

Don't expect Proton to make virtuous ethical choices anytime soon, especially now that Trump joined the cult. Once the greed bug has bitten, making a profit supersedes delivering a good product as the primary objective.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

I lean left on some issues, and right on other issues

Holy shit I feel so STUPID for giving $30 a month for this clown. I am so pissed, I hate myself for allowing myself to migrate my stuff all over thinking it would be fine. I am so fucking pissed right now.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 20 hours ago (9 children)

The American mind cannot grasp liking specific policies of a given party

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[–] [email protected] 58 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Why does his username have "88" in binary 🧐

[–] [email protected] 3 points 16 hours ago

88 was my favorite number for a long time until I found out that Nazis were using it. Bummer. I’m weirdly still sad about it.

I can’t even tell you why it was my favorite number. I think as a kid, I always heard people pick 7 and I just wanted to be different so I leaned into 8s. Idk.

Now, I struggles because I like 8s but I don’t want to be a Nazi. F’ing Nazis ruin everything.

Guess I could just like 8 or 888, haha.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The number 8 is lucky to Chinese people. Source: I am Chinese

[–] [email protected] 5 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Is it normal to double it up?

[–] [email protected] 13 points 22 hours ago

Yes, doubling characters or numbers is common in Chinese to insist on the item.

At weddings, you will see lots of double happiness characters for example.

"Everybody" is literally the character for people that is repeated, so "yan yan".

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 day ago

Because of fucking course it does. 🤦‍♂️😮‍💨

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 day ago (2 children)

He might be born on 1988, although I could not verify this. He started his PhD on 2009, that’d make him 21 at that time, which is not unusual

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 11 points 22 hours ago

Bruh, just "Andy1988" would've been a better username 🤦‍♂️

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago (3 children)

21 is quite young for a doctorate degree. Most people only have a bachelor’s degree by 22.

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[–] [email protected] 49 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Full context here for everyone.

Personally, that answer does not seem nearly enough and I believe he should step down if he truly cared about the Proton project as a whole.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 day ago

Stepping down would be a step in the right direction.

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[–] [email protected] 71 points 1 day ago (9 children)

I'm personally satisfied with the statement, position and reflection on the issue.

It was a fuck-up to publicly respond to donaldtrump in what could be seen as an endorsement. This was acknowledged and remedied.

The no politics stance is probably unavoidable, as mentioned but they should never focus on political parties, but on defending the values, this is what is clarified and that's best. We should accept to support a bill strengthening privacy even if it may come from a political party we generally do not support. Denying our support to such a bill would not strengthen the core value we defend. And as individuals we may still criticize all other activities of such a political party if we disagree with others of their activities.

As a community, I hope we can come together, and resist the temptation of purity tests, and acknowledge that we are all fighting for the same cause, no matter our perspective on other issues. We need the support of everyone.

[–] [email protected] 53 points 1 day ago

His main point is outright wrong though. Republicans are not better at anti-trust, they’re the big money. Thinking Elon Musk and Jeff Bezos will protect small tech companies is laughable.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

This comment is not the original. He changed it.

https://archive.ph/quYyb

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

They seem to be two separate things. One is a comment, the other is a post.

[–] [email protected] 53 points 1 day ago (9 children)

Either way, if he believes this:

Until corporate Dems are thrown out, the reality is that Republicans remain more likely to tackle Big Tech abuses.

he's fucking dumb as a hammer

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 day ago (2 children)

The lines between fact (...) and opinion can be blurry at times

Are they though?

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 day ago

Andy Yen, perched on ivory tower: “Why yes, they are a bit blurry up here.”

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Words are nothing, Andy should step away from proton.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 day ago (2 children)

are you basing this on previous words he used ?

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 23 hours ago

Thank you for the chuckle! lol

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